snaplok

That's some powerful stuff you're saying there SW. But Israel does blame all it's ills and woes on a certain type of people that needs to be controlled and placed into ghettos already. The difference is that those people know the Jewish history and will be damned if it's going to happen to them and will fight back. Even if it's rock, brick, and stick to bullet, tank, and missle. At the very least they deserve respect for not taking Israel's back handed slaps.

Vlaze

In light of this new evidence, steers the boat again towards media bias against Israel. "Stopped" instead of "hijacked" should of been used to realistically reflect what happened.

Further search shows there were posts of this up on the 2nd and Wolf posted on the 4th. Hmmmm conspiracy theories trail on....

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Hey Wolfie, you forgot the pictures of the Israeli kids with their limbs blown off or faces disfigured by suicide bombers dressed in C4 and hex bolts in your zeal to be even-handed.

Suicide Bombers Form a New Injury Profile

As for bullshit excuses on Israel's part (and they are bullshit), you can't tell me the extremists getting sore every time the word 'crusade' is used or some newspaper publishes a satirized image of Mohammed isn't bullshit. God forbid you ever say that muslim extremists are violent, they'll show you just how much they disagree with you by declaring a 'day of anger' and burning down your embassy. The fact is these people that want the world to show tolerance for their institutionalized misogyny, anti-education campaigns, suicide bomber factories and Hammurabism will show NO tolerance themselves.

Remember Hamas is going way over the top as well. You think Israel would have launched the last attack if they hadn't watched rockets fall, purposefully indiscriminantly, into the homes of their civilians week after week after week while the UN did neither jack nor shit about it?

You maintain our country should be held responsible (and rightly so) for electing, and then re-electing, a war-mongering simian and the flood of (half-deserved) anti-american sentiment said election brought down on us, right? Look at Hamas' charter. The Palestinians KNEW damn well that the party they were electing were war-mongering simians held together on the primary belief that Israel and all the Jews in it should be pushed into the sea.

What did they expect Hamas to do? Send a nice floral basket to Tel-Aviv? If you give Andre the Giant a purple nurple, you ARE going to get beat down.

You can say that there is some sort of 'disproportionate use of force' if you want.... whatever the hell that means when it comes to war. It's just a phrase used by the UN to say 'We have no balls. Can't we just have our precious status quo back?' Any military commander who wants to only attack 'just a little bit' or only 'kind of wants to win the campaign' should be replaced and sent out onto the front lines with a government issued slingshot.

If you're going to be even-handed, then be even-handed, not French. Just like Israel poking at Palestine isn't constructive (and vice versa, to be sure), the world poking at Israel isn't constructive. They look around and see a world and media that automatically does NOT give them the benefit of the doubt (this thread is a good example) while the rest of the countries in their region want them ALL DEAD. How can you expect them to act with restraint? Don't you pack a gun for self protection? If you had your gun in the back-country and five goons circled you with knives and said they were about to kill you, wouldn't you start popping off caps sooner rather than later?

Snowolf

You are not getting my point entirely. I don`t disagree with any of what you have said, but I what I am saying is that Israel does way more than prudent self defense. Am I saying Hamas does no wrong? Certainly not. Do I condone the Hamas backed terrorism? Absolutely not. The reason I did not mention or post pics of Israeli victims is because everyone on the planet knows and understands Arab sponsored terrorism. You have to constantly remind people that not all Arabs are terrorists it`s gotten so absurd. Yet, when the IDF do the exact same thing; kidnap and torture innocent Palestinians that they suspect have Hamas ties.

I am saying the same thing to the IDF that I have been saying about the way we acted in Iraq. We and they geometrically fuel future terrorism when we create civilian casualties. It is in Israel`s best interest to work harder to find a better solution. Let me be clear; I am not expecting this situation to end over night and I don`t expect Israel to completely quit reacting; that would be unreasonable. What I am saying is then when they are given the opportunity to make some progress, Israel stubbornly refuses to make any attempt.

What I am pointing out here is not that Israel is the bad guy; there are twos sides to this. What I am saying is that they are not held to the same standards by America for committing the same acts. When Hamas launches a rocket attack into Israel to retaliate for moving more settlers into the West Bank, we and the world harshly condemn them and rightly so. When Israel carpet bombs the entire civilian neighborhood that they think the rocket attack came from and kill 30 men, women and children who had nothing to do with it, we say the same old tired line..." Israel has a right to defend itself" This is the same thing you are saying too and it is bullshit.

What I expect is for America, who gives Israel billions in foreign aid at a time when our country is nearing a Depression is to demand that Israel put forth some effort to make peace work. Because of the Jewish lobby (AIPAC) our congress looks the other way no matter what Israel does.

You need to understand that I am not saying anything different that what many Israeli`s living there are saying about their own government. I am NOT being anti Israel or anti Semitic, I am speaking about a level of uneven handedness in the way I see them and America dealing in that part of the world.

You mention Hamas being elected even though the Palestinians know they are terrorists. You have to understand the amount of manipulation that the Bush administration did to make those elections happen. Bush and Condi Rice forced those "democratic" elections upon the Palestinians. Many of those people had never even heard of Fatah but Hamas had consistently provided them with aid and built schools etc.

It is the same scenario that L. Paul Bremmer created in post invasion Iraq. A leadership vacuum gets filled and in Iraq, the radical Shia clerics stepped in and demonstrated leadership whereas the U.S. occupiers did nothing; we didn't even protect the museum of antiquity. In Gaza, the people are going to go with the group they are familiar with and who has helped them in the past regardless of anything else. Bush knew this and engineered an election knowing full well what the outcome would be.

Israel has a long history of going beyond simple self defense as the U.S.S. Liberty incident clearly shows with regard to their objective of taking the Golan Heights. I understand your points and agree with them on their logical premise, but I do not agree with them in practice based on Israel`s history and their record of violating UN resolutions without consequences. We leveled Iraq based on their not complying with U.N. resolutions, yet Israel gets away with it repeatedly....

A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

Again, not trying to unfairly pick on Israel, just showing that there is another side to the story. Everybody defends Israel, yet we seldom hear the Palestinian side of the issue.

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Snowolf

Well that other group that I linked to is driving a convoy into Gaza do deliver relief. Regardless of her, there were 20 others of the group and she was not the leader. Because she was a Congresswoman, she is getting all the lime light. I think the group has good intentions and in a way, I see her agenda of deliberately making a scene like this so it does get in the news spot light and bring attention to the situation as a whole. Until this event. 90% of Americans were not even aware of the problem really...too busy watching NASCAR....

I understand your point about her specifically, but looking at the bigger picture, I think the scene created will draw more world attention to the situation and put needed pressure on Israel to lighten up and let humanitarian aid into the territory more efficiently.

Besides...you secretly want to "do her"...admit it....

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Mooz

Dude not with a 10ft pole and your dick. I'd fuck sedition first.

That's right, I'd rather go gay than fuck Cynthia Mckinney.

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Perpetual3am

Otay!!!!!!!

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Snowolf

ROFLMFAO........

That made my day!!!

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