View Poll Results: Which most describes your religious views;

**Snowolf** · 04-02-2008, 09:06 AM

This website is a crack up...

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

As a Good Communist, I must confess to my secret hero......

sedition · 04-02-2008, 09:09 AM

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What I think is hard is being selfless.

No question that is hard, no matter what your belief system is. It is the hardest thing anyone can attempt to do. Period.

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Why is it so hard for people to accept that Jesus died for our sins?

I know you said you were not selling religion. But, I think the above comment did come across as from someone who works the retail department.

The problem I have with (some) believers, and (some) atheists alike, is when one group feels they have a monopoly on Truth. This usually lends itself to said-group acting as if they are on ethical high-ground. From there, they seek to convert/impose/proselytize/condemn/etc anyone who has a different view. To use extremes as example, you have people and groups like Al Qaeda, Fred Phelps, and Micheal Moore*.

*Politically, I actually agree with most all of Moore's positions. However, I have serious issues with some of his tactics and approaches to making his points and/or "converting" people.

**Snowolf** · 04-02-2008, 09:09 AM

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True that.
My old signature used to be:

Gravity is god and how you choose to worship it is your own business.

Referring to the timeless skier/snowboarder debates.

I like it...

**Snowolf** · 04-02-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sedition

*Politically, I actually agree with most all of Moore's positions. However, I have serious issues with some of his tactics and approaches to making his points and/or "converting" people.

Classic case of the message being good, but the delivery sucking big time...

I will say that I like how he toned it down in Sicko...I think that is by far his best work.

Suburban Blend · 04-02-2008, 09:15 AM

On a powder day we are all blessed. Reveling in natures finest element. Water, straight from the heavens and in it's pristine form. It glitters in all it's glory, a blanket of white. We bath in it, rejoicing in the highest.

sedition · 04-02-2008, 09:16 AM

Come on people...not even one vote for Schlitz? I am sad.

NickNorth11 · 04-02-2008, 09:31 AM

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i am one of those people. it is a nonsense.

it is like saying a lighter shade of black.... which makes it grey, not black.

and so if you believe there is no god, you fall from the fence of agnosticism, which by definition refuses to be convinced by all current arguements for or against the existence of a deity.

but that's just me.

You can choose to not accept it, but I go so far as to call it nonsense. The two terms are not mutually exclusive, imo. It is possible to acknowledge our limitations and know that there is no proof for or against a deity, making someone an agnostic, and still have a believe for, or against, a deity, making that same person an atheist or theist.

Agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

Atheist: a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

This is a GREAT video, which explains it better than I could ever hope to. The entire video is awesome, but the part about agnosticism and atheism starts at 2:35.
YouTube - Response to: "Atheists have faith, just like theists."

I hope this video doesn't step on any toes. I don't really want to get into the middle of who's beliefs are right and who's are wrong. I just want to show that it is possible to be an agnostic atheist.

PaoloSmythe · 04-02-2008, 10:05 AM

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Well first, if some kind of God exists, science will never be able (or allowed, by that God) to prove it. It is directly counter the concept of "faith."

what has faith got to do with anything, other than it being used as a reasonable alternative to not being provided with evidence?

if a god exists, then it wouldn't need faith from its followers to continue existing. it would just be.

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Second, by now, every possible (and decent) argument has been made for/against the existence of a God. Nothing better is going to come down the line with the next IKEA catalouge.

are you suggesting that a god would be swedish (and flat packed)?

this point hints on the purpose of agnosticism. you say every possible arguement has been made..... well clearly the one pivotal arguement, the definitive one HAS NOT.

for why? the limitations of the human mind! cue agnosticism.

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Hence, agnostics are too "wishy-washy" to have "faith" in either possibility. And there is no way more conclusive evidence is ever going to be arrived at, IMHO.

you think atheists require faith? surely they are the epitome of being faithless no? ie I see no god, therefore there is no god.

PaoloSmythe · 04-02-2008, 10:11 AM

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So while I was working down in New Zealand, I had a co-worker named Tony.... I followed him to someplace he said he had gone before..... I couldn’t help but to fear for where we were going. I’m not much of a mountain goat but my God, this was an extreme place we were going. The exposure to this peak was the gnarliest I had ever seen in New Zealand. I was getting scared shitless. Tony’s mission in life is to follow in Jesus’ footsteps every step of the way.

did tony think jesus was a mountain goat?

PaoloSmythe · 04-02-2008, 10:13 AM

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How selfish are you?

well seeing as you asked.... i am as selfish as you and your buddie tony:

COMPLETELY.

it is intrinsic to our nature; to satisfy ourselves... be it drinking and wive beating or sweeping up corpses from indian streets.

what ever gets you off really. it is futile to suggest otherwise.