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**Snowolf** · 06-01-2008, 07:21 AM

I listened to a fascinating and disturbing interview on the Mike Malloy program last night. He interviewed an author named Mark Crispin Miller. Mark has been delving into the theft of the 2000 and the 2004 Presidential elections and how the mechanisms are in place for the theft of the 2008 election if the point spread is within about 10 points. Should Obama lead by a stronger lead, the theft will be difficult if not impossible. The darker portion of the interview dealt with the likelihood that these people will not, can not give up power at this point and will do anything necessary to hang onto that power. The specualtion is that they will resort to manufacturing a "catostrophic attack" that demands implimentation of NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51 in order to declare martial law and suspend the US Constitution.

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Mark Crispin Miller is a professor of culture and communications at New York University. He’s also a man on a mission: to make the case for electoral reform. Miller climbs into the minutiae of the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections-voter caging in Florida, ballot stickers in Ohio, and lots of unseemly details in between. The core of his argument unfolded in “None Dare Call It Stolen: Ohio, the Election, and America’s Servile Press” which appeared in the August 2005 issue of Harper’s. It evolved into Fooled Again: The Real Case for Electoral Reform in 2005. And in the end, he tells us that notwithstanding the reassurances of the mainstream media, we have no reason to be confident in the formally reported results of those two elections. The paperback edition came out earlier this year, with an extensive afterward and much updated material. No Comment puts six questions to Harper’s contributor, author and media critic, Mark Crispin Miller, about his book, the mainstream media, and the art of political persecution in America today.

Six Questions for Mark Crispin Miller, Author of â€˜Fooled Againâ€™, By Scott Horton (Harper's Magazine)

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“This is a regime whose leaders are capable of anything. They’re capable of stealing elections. They’re capable of lying us into a war. They’re capable of letting a whole major U.S. city drown… and then do nothing about it, to this very day. They’re capable of outing a crucial CIA officer who was tracking Weapons of Mass Destruction that were headed for the United States.

What is it that they would not do?

Now, I don’t say this because I want people to freak out or stay home and lock the door. On the contrary, I say this because it’s crucial for us all to keep our heads, and have our eyes wide open. If these things take us by surprise, we are that much more vulnerable to being manipulated, pushed around… maybe with fatal consequences.

If however, we can be well aware of the nature of the people in charge, and not be surprised by the steps they take, we’ll be strengthened by that kind of preparation, and, we’ll be able to resist.

And at this point, resistance is something that we should all be thinking about very seriously.”

– Mark Crispin Miller, May 19, 2008.

Mark Crispin Miller warns of Election Theft & Martial Law, and wants you think seriously about Resistance. « SÃ¸vnlÃ¸se Netter

You Tube Video of Mark discussing this situation:

Endgame: Bush & Cheney's desperate measures PT. 1

Endgame: Bush & Cheney's desperate measures PT. 2

Mark Crispin Miller`s Page:

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NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive

Bush To Be Dictator In A Catastrophic Emergency

Martial Law Exercises in America:

These activities and any use of the military like this is a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878

Posse Comitatus Act of 1878

The Posse Comitatus Act and Homeland Security

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The United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) has just announced plans for an anti-terrorism exercise called Vigilant Shield 08. The exercise which is slated to run from October 15th to October 20th is described as a way to prepare, prevent and respond to any number of national crises. The exercise is simply a test case scenario for the implementation of martial law. Although the description of the exercise is disturbing, USNORTHCOM also announced that they are more prepared for a natural disaster and a terrorist attack after they used their response to Hurricane Katrina as a test laboratory. During Hurricane Katrina, authorities violated the constitutional rights of citizens by stealing people�s firearms and even relocating people against their will. These announcements are incredibly disturbing on a number of levels as the nature of Vigilant Shield 08 and the admission that Hurricane Katrina was used as a test laboratory shows that the government is actively preparing the military and government institutions for martial law.

The National Expositor - NORTHCOM Plans 5 Day Martial Law Exercise

U.S. Northern Command News

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Indianapolis chosen for Marine training

Published: May 28, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Print story Email to a friend Font size:INDIANAPOLIS, May 28 (UPI) -- Several Indianapolis locations will serve as a mock battlefield next month as some 2,300 U.S. Marines take part in urban combat training, officials say.

The Marines from the 26th Expeditionary Unit based at Camp Lejuene, N.C., are scheduled to arrive by helicopter June 4 and conduct exercises through June 19, The Indianapolis Star reported Wednesday.

Col. Mark J. Desens, commander of the unit, says residents living near the training locations will be notified in advance of any "mock raids."

Desens says residents "can expect to see helicopters flying overhead, military vehicles on the roads and Marines patrolling on foot."

"Our aim in Indianapolis is to expose our Marines to realistic scenarios and stresses posed by operating in an actual urban community, thereby increasing their proficiency in built-up areas," Desens wrote in a statement.

Landing sites for the Marine helicopters include Eastgate Mall, Brookside Park, Ellenberg Park, Christian Park, Southeastway Park, Bush Stadium and Douglas Park.

Indianapolis chosen for Marine training - UPI.com

KBR/Halliburton constructing "Detention Camps" in America

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This has been going on since 2006 and reports are that several large camps like this have been constructed.

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KBR is awarded $385-million
Homeland Security contract for
"temporary" detention facilities

by Katherine Hunt, Dow Jones MarketWatch

Jan. 24, 2006

Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) announced today that the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component has awarded KBR an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton.

With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.

The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.

The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts.

Unknown*News *|* New US detention camps are cause for concern *|* Tom Hennessy *********************************************

mpdsnowman · 06-01-2008, 10:54 AM

I really dont think we need to worry about a stolen election. I dont think it will be anything close at all. Matter of fact if I am a republican I can just sit back and watch the dems continue to be their own demise.

This thing with Obama distancing him from his church after all these years brings a nice ace card to the republicans...a card they wont even need to throw onto the table. As Hillary continues to fight and create separation of the democratic party I see no conceivable "true" unity in that party come election time.

Now...could the republican party "steal" an election...sure they could they are powerfull enough...but it wont be necessary this time.

I hate to say it but it has boiled down to either a first woman president or first black president as far as the dems...that is no match for a standard republican value.....

Simply^Ride · 06-01-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mpdsnowman

I hate to say it but it has boiled down to either a first woman president or first black president as far as the dems...that is no match for a standard republican value.....

Sad but true... As much as I hate to see another 4 years of Bush crap, I think that's what we are going to end up with.

mpdsnowman · 06-01-2008, 02:28 PM

I wouldnt go that far. George has put a bad enough taste in everyones mouth that McCain will be a welcomed version. Sure they will remain conservative but I cant help think we will have a little more honor in the way we do things particulary in the foreign arena

**Snowolf** · 06-01-2008, 04:19 PM

McCain

Oh God, kill me now....

**Snowolf** · 06-02-2008, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mpdsnowman

I really dont think we need to worry about a stolen election. I dont think it will be anything close at all. Matter of fact if I am a republican I can just sit back and watch the dems continue to be their own demise.

This thing with Obama distancing him from his church after all these years brings a nice ace card to the republicans...a card they wont even need to throw onto the table. As Hillary continues to fight and create separation of the democratic party I see no conceivable "true" unity in that party come election time.

Now...could the republican party "steal" an election...sure they could they are powerful enough...but it wont be necessary this time.

I hate to say it but it has boiled down to either a first woman president or first black president as far as the dems...that is no match for a standard republican value.....

Actually, I think many people put too much stock in this notion that the fierce battle for the nomination hurts and fractures the Democratic party. Democrats as a group tend to be much freer thinkers than Republicans and we never agree on anything. (I say this as a generalization, not labeling Republicans in a negative way) I see a lot more order and hierarchy in Republican politics while Democratic politics seem more chaotic and all over the map. I don`t see this "fight" between the two as really harming the party at all. I see this as Democracy in it`s pure form in action. With only a few demagogues out there, I think you will see the Hillary camp get into full support and backing of Obama if he is the nominee. Same thing with Obama should she win it. There is no true progressive or Democrat who is going to think that a McCain win is somehow better than either Democratic candidate. The pundits may say it, people in frustration may even say it to. But come election day when the rubber meets the road, every Democrat who values the ideals of the progressive movement and the Democratic party is going to pull the lever for McCain. Also, people feel so strongly about the issues that separate Progressives from Neo Conservatives, that they are not really going to just "sit it out" and let McCain give us 4 more years of the Bush Doctrine...wont` happen!

Mooz · 06-02-2008, 03:03 PM

Miller is a conspiracy nut and nothing more than a fear monger hoping to sell a few more books.

That being said I doubt McCain will be elected. Even if he is, he isn't going to carry on bush's policies. The whole republican party recognizes that bush has brought their party to the brink of destruction and they're going to make a big change.

Personally, I hope there is some "catastrophic event" and they enact martial law. That single event will spur people in this country to lead another revolution and build a government less dependant on party politics and more in line with what people like Thomas Paine and John Adam's wanted in a government.

**Snowolf** · 06-02-2008, 06:35 PM

You know, I really have doubts about that. I just don`t know if the American people have it in them any more. It seems that as a nation we are too willing to give up all freedoms just so long as we can have our evening sitcoms and reality tv shows. Besides, with the might of the US military and this domestic training they are doing (that part is not conspiracvy theory; it has and is actually happening and the Indiana exrcise is scheduled. The KBR contract is real and that comes not from Miller but from the DOJ`s web site in the form of a press releases announcing the awarding of the contract) no amount of guns and organizing on the people`s part stands any chance of success. Our only real weapon left is the ballot box and too many people still can`t be bothered.

As for McCain, I hope your theory is correct; I just can`t see our country surviving 4 more years of "staying the course"

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