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**Snowolf** · 08-30-2008, 10:52 AM

In an amazing display of senility, Mcsame has given Obama and the Democrats an early Christmas gift by nominating this individual as his running mate. Here is a taste of of what she supports....

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Anchorage, AK -- Today Defenders of Wildlife, the Alaska Wildlife Alliance and the Alaska Chapter of the Sierra Club asked the Alaska Superior Court to shut down Governor Palin's $150-per-wolf bounty program citing the fact that Alaska's bounty laws were repealed in 1984 and the State has no current legal authority to implement the bounties.

"The Governor is overstepping her legal authority by offering cash payments for each wolf killed by aerial gunners," stated Tom Banks, Defenders of Wildlife's Alaska Associate. "That's a bounty by anyone's standards regardless of what they call it."

Hoping to boost the number of wolves killed this year by permitees, Palin announced the state would pay $150 for each kill. According to an Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G) news release, the bounty was instituted to "motivate permittees to redouble their efforts and to help offset the high cost of aviation fuel, ADF&G will offer cash payments to those who return biological specimens to the department." The state's press release, issued last Wednesday, indicates that "Permittees will be paid $150 when they bring in the left forelegs of wolves taken from any of several designated control areas."

"Governor Palin needs to take a close look at wildlife management practice in her state and restore the use of sound science," concludes Banks. "She said would heed the will of the public, but it's increasingly clear she's only listening to that segment that is willing to sacrifice Alaska's natural heritage for the benefit of a few."

The judge is expected to make a decision fairly quickly.
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Real nice individual; from what we have seen of today`s Republican party, she will fit right in; surprised Cheney has`nt dumped his wife for her!

mpdsnowman · 08-30-2008, 02:01 PM

Actually this is a quicker knockout to Obama than the two Mike Tyson fights I saw.

She is a mother of 5, happily married for 20 years, a non insider good ole boy. As far as her experience in war what better experience of reality of having a son fighting it. You can pick on all the little things she may have done wrong in Alaska but that is irrelevant for she just stole all those Hillary votes from your boy.

This also puts Obama in a defensive position soon to come out for he didnt even give Hillary an interview for the position,he totally ignored that which will cost him big time with the women.

How many times do u think Obama has been asked since yesterday this question..."do you regret not picking Hillary for the VP position? and why didnt you even interview her"

IMO it was a perfect move on the board. Palin is qualified to be a VP simply for what she represents and what the Democrats simply set themselves up with.

There are many Democrats who like McCain for they know he isnt a Bush in the waiting. There were many women pissed about the obama/Hillary race even to the point your flash and trash convention had to concede that reality with all the hype of Hillary's non embarrassment senario and her basically telling her supporters to go to obama. That is all negated now.

So basically I see it this way.

Obama picks a good ole boy, an insider.
McCain picks an outsider women, mother of 5, son in the war(here is true change)
Obama is weak on experience
MCCain Certainly a veteran of Politics.
Biden is a stronger force than Obama and is in the wrong position.
Palin will make a fine VP, she doenst need all that experience in that position and will do fine.

Her speach was perfect, simply written to take those disgruntled hillary supporters for she is a great pick as a women. Not as good as Hillary but non the less, great enough to swing the pendelum..

We shall see

**Snowolf** · 08-30-2008, 07:07 PM

I could`nt disagree more strongly. There is no way these mythical "disgruntled female Hilary voters" are going to suddenly support McCain simply because he picks a woman; any woman. She is staunchly anti women`s right to choose. McCain`s choice was more about getting the Evangelical vote which would have never voted for Obama in the first place. You speak of Obama`s lack of experience; are you kidding me? He has far more experience than this "good ole boy in a dress". He has decades of experience as an organizer and civil rights leader, years and years as a state senator and nearly 4 years as a US senator compared to her experience as a city council member and mayor of Wassila Alaska; a town of about 7,000 and 18 months as a governor of a state with a population less than any major city in the lower 48. McCain could not have picked a more unqualified VP; this is another Bush like Harriet Meyers appointment.

Obama`s choice of Joe Biden compliments his position strategically. Biden`s foreign policy experience adds to the ticket. If God forbid something happened to a President Obama, Joe Biden is light years ahead of Palin as far as being qualified to be President. This is`nt even arguable and most of your Republican colleague groaned in disbelief at McCain`s choice.

You place way too much credence on this whole "disgruntled Hillary voter" thing; wishful thinking on your part I suppose. The majority of those who supported Hillary eagerly support Obama and Hillary`s classy and gracious move to cut short the roll call votes and call for getting behind Obama moved most of those who were sucking on sour grapes to do the same. A very few (yourself perhaps, although I suspect you of having been McCain supporter from the get go) will still throw a tantrum and not vote or vote for a third party candidate. Even fewer will actually suddenly vote against their own best interest and vote for McCain. This is such an insignificant number as to be totally meaningless, but right wing freaks like Limbaugh and Hannity will try to talk this up, but they are insane ramblings at best.

You speak of Obama regretting not choosing a woman or even interviewing Hillary. No, I seriously doubt there is regret and Obama showed judgment and leadership in picking the most qualified running mate and not simpling doing as McCain did and attempting to placate this mythical Puma voter and nominating a woman at all cost. As for Hillary, she was in fact seriously considered and behind the scenes there was much "interviewing" as you put it. In the end Obama, picked the nominee that would be best for the country and his agenda of repairing 8 years of catastrophic damage that Bush, McCain and the Republicans have done to her.

You really can with a straight face make the claim that McCain is not Bush? that is so laughable that I have to assume you just took a huge hit off your bong...

His voting record is 90 to 95 percent a carbon copy of Bush. You think that a 5 to 10 percent difference makes him somehow independent and a "maverick? wow, That is so absurd as to defy any semblance of logic. Supporting McCain is your prerogative and your right, but come on, do not try to bullshit everyone, he is absolutely a continuation of Bush and has engineered himself to be so in order to get these freakish evangelical right wing lunatics behind him. His choice of Palin is stunning example of just that. Now if he had used his senile old brain and picked a centrist Republican like say Chuck Hagel, us Democrats would have had something to really worry about. As it is now, he gave us a gift. He just caused even more moderate Republicans who were already questioning his fitness to be President, to jump ship and support Obama.

mpdsnowman · 08-31-2008, 11:58 AM

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McCain`s choice was more about getting the Evangelical vote

If this is true then why did Palin intently congratulate Hillary on a well fought(breaking thru the ceiling) campaign???

If u cant understand that this was intently handled to take those votes away...votes by the way that are truly up for grabs as a result of Hillary running in the first place. Your just keeping a blind eye to that fact.

Obama needs Bidon simply for the credability factor in foreign policy. Problem there and you cant ignore this fact is that he is a good ole boy, run of the mill, standard issuance. Big mistake compared to McCains choice btw who is an outsider of the good ole boy club. That right there seals the deal.

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You place way too much credence on this whole "disgruntled Hillary voter

no no no...that was done by the democratic party at their convention when Hillary basically told all her constituants and supporters to "pass" over to Barack. come on now wolfie. The flash and trash was exposed at that time. Even to the point they had to make New York (Hillary) be the one to suspend the count and vote obama officially.

Everyone knows that the Hillary/Barack war of nomination brought two things to light...women and blacks. As a result of opening that can of worms your dems had to patch that hole in the suit.

**Snowolf** · 08-31-2008, 12:32 PM

Sorry, you are totally off base and here is why your theory breaks down:

Women who support Hilary by and large are social liberals who are big pro choice, anti gun, pro gay marriage voters.

Sarah Palin is a radical evangelical anti choice candidate who opposes abortion rights, gay marriage and is a life member of the NRA. She is anti Evolution and favors the 6,000 year Creationism being taught along with mandatory school prayer.

You will not get the women who support Hillary to pick a McCain/Palin ticket which is going to be the right of even George Bush on these issues over Barrack Obama who is politically in line with their politics. Sorry dude, its just not going to happen.

Now you could say that was McCain`s intent but he got it wrong, but even that does not explain it since there are so many better qualified Republican women he could have chosen, Christy Todd Whitman for example or Kay Baily Hutchinson. There are so many experienced, well qualified women who are social moderates he could have picked to secure the women`s vote if that were the goal.

Fact is, McCain has got nothing to offer and his campaign is desperately trying to pander to the Evangelical vote who was not too keen on him. Now they are cumming all over themselves. With Barrack Obama`s pick of Joe Biden, McCain cannot touch him on foreign policy experience and the war on terror was his ace in the hole and that is gone now. This shows that wedge issues are all he has left and this is a misstep of sheer desperation.

I hear the spin from the right about this being a brilliant choice but that is bullshit. Up until Friday, no one had even heard of her. She is so unqualified for the job it is alarming. You simply cannot compare her experience to that of Barrack Obama. There is a huge difference in being a long term Illinois state senator and a US senator for 4 years and being a mayor of a town of 7,000 people in Alaska and a governor for 18 months of a state with a population less than any large city in the lower 48.

Do some reading, you will see this is evident. Everywhere in the press the consensus is the same from both the right and the left; this was a move solely aimed at securing the evangelicals. This choice has not caused democratic Hilary supporters to switch over, but it is sending moderate Republicans reaching for the Obama ballot. Spin this all you want, but you are totally wrong about this one.

mpdsnowman · 08-31-2008, 12:39 PM

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no one had even heard of her.

Thats the exact point! She is not a good ole boy. This represents "true" change in politics. And people want change. Now if McCain picked a good ole boy say mitt romney just like obi did...hey thats a good nickname

obi...then you would have a case....

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You will not get the women who support Hillary to pick a McCain/Palin ticket

Yes you will. Watch how it pans out. The lady has a son over in the war....There is not much dirt on her. Obamas inexperience is way above hers per the position they are in.

Do not disregard a womens intuition.....thats a critical mistake.

**Snowolf** · 08-31-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mpdsnowman

Obamas inexperience is way above hers per the position they are in.

Are you kidding me????

How is she somehow "more experienced" that Barrack Obama in matters of everything from foreign policy to trade deals to civil liberties? Obama has spent a lifetime in politics from being a community leader in south Chicago to an Illinois state senator to a US senator sitting on several commitees and traveling to the Mideast and conferring with world leaders. How can you seriously compare that with being in the PTA, city council, mayor of a sleepy little town in Alaska? I have been and lived in Alaska and I can tell you that NOTHING ever happens in Wassila Alaska! More shit goes down in a day in south Chicago than happens in 10 years in Wassila. You can try to prop her up all you want but when you make statements like this, you undermine any semblance of credibility...

Bottom line; McCain just shot himself and your party in the foot and I am loving it.

As to the point about the real target audience he is pandering to, here is a sample of what can be found:

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Evangelicals energized by McCain-Palin ticket
By ERIC GORSKI – 1 day ago

Sarah Palin already has energized conservative religious leaders who had fretted that John McCain would pick an abortion rights supporter as his running mate. The Alaska governor was raised in a Pentecostal church and has called herself "as pro-life as any candidate can be."

To Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religion Liberties Commission, Palin is "straight out of veep central casting." Land said he had urged the McCain camp to consider the political unknown.

Gary Bauer, one of McCain's most enthusiastic evangelical supporters, said the Arizona senator had hit a "grand slam home run" and that adding Palin to the GOP ticket is "guaranteed to energize values voters."

The 44-year-old mother of five, who led her high school chapter of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, was baptized as a teenager at the Wasilla Assembly of God Church, where she and her family were very active, according to her then-pastor, Paul Riley.

She now sometimes worships at the Juneau Christian Center, which is also part of the Pentecostal Assemblies of God, said Brad Kesler, business administrator of the denomination's Alaska District. But her home church is The Church on the Rock, an independent congregation, Riley said.

"The church was kind of a foundation for her," said Riley, who said he gave the invocation at Palin's inauguration and had her address students at the church last month.

Maria Comella, a spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, said Palin attends different churches and does not consider herself Pentecostal.

As a politician, Palin has sided with the majority evangelical view in opposing gay marriage and expressing a desire to see creationism discussed alongside evolution in schools.

During a 2006 debate, she said she was a proponent of teaching both evolution and creationism in schools
The Associated Press: Evangelicals energized by McCain-Palin ticket

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McCain Panders to Christian Right in Choosing Sarah Palin as VP

By Jason Leopold
The Public Record
Friday, August 29, 2008

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Published in : Politics

Sen. John McCain’s newly minted vice presidential pick Sarah Palin nearly faced a recall election in 1997 while she served as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, a city that at the time had a population of about 5,000.

“Four months of turmoil have followed in which almost every move by Palin has been questioned, from firing the museum director to hiring a deputy administrator at a cost of $50,000 a year to a short-lived proposal to move the city's historic buildings from downtown,” the Associated Press reported in a Feb. 11, 1997 dispatch. “Critics argue the decisions are politically motivated.”

Wasilla’s former police chief, Irl Stambaugh, sued Palin that year for alleged contract violation, wrongful termination and gender discrimination. The police chief claimed Palin fired him for being disloyal.

"Mayor Palin has stated on several occasions that the National Rifle Association encouraged her to fire Chief Stambaugh because of his stance against the concealed weapons legislation," the lawsuit said. The lawsuit also claimed Palin fired Stambaugh in because he is a man whose size - 6 feet and 200 pounds - allegedly "intimidated" the mayor.

Palin also terminated the city’s librarian, a move that pit Palin against angry Wasilla residents who launched a campaign to oust her from office. The recall election, however, never got off the ground. And a federal judge rejected the lawsuit the police chief’s lawsuit.

But that’s small town politics. And though the 45 year-old mother of five served as chairwoman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, and less than two years ago was elevated to Alaska’s top political office, Palin has never been confronted with hot-button political issues and her accomplishments in the legislative arena since her tenure as Alaska’s first female governor.

Now Palin finds herself the subject of an investigation for allegedly retaliating against former Alaska public safety commissioner Walt Monegan who refused to fire a state trooper entangled in a divorce and custody battle with Palin’s sister. The probe will also examine whether Palin’s extended family tried to pressure Monegan to fire state trooper Mike Wooten due to the divorce.

Yet McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, who has viciously attacked Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama’s as inexperienced to serve as commander-in-chief said Friday that Palin is ready to tackle matters of national security, the economy, and the war in Iraq, issues McCain has used to define his campaign as superior to that of Obama’s, if he was unable to serve.

It’s easy to criticize McCain for his blatant hypocrisy when it comes to the experience factor. But it’s clear McCain decision on a running mate had less to do with what’s best for the country and everything to do with appealing to so-called values voters, who have pressured the Arizona senator to choose a running mate who is against abortion, gay marriage, and a “true Christian.”
McCain Panders to Christian Right in Choosing Sarah Palin as VP

You mention Mitt Romney and McCain not choosing him because of the "good ole boy" thing, that is not the reason. Had he chosen Romney, a Mormon, the Fallwell crowd would have dropped their support of him. To these people, being a Mormon is akin to being the devil. Once again, it clearly shows who he is pandering to and these few Hilary voters who may be pissed off are not even on McCain`s radar...but dream on...

sedition · 08-31-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mpdsnowman

...which will cost him big time with the women.

Right. And as soon as McCain says he wants confirm more Sup Court justices who will overturn Roe v. Wade, all those little ladies will just go running to the McCain camp. Seem quite logical to me.

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Obama is weak on experience

I'm sorry, but this argument fails. First, Obama has been in elected office for TWELVE YEARS. He has both state and federal experience. Second, he has more experience than some of our greatest presidents (Lincoln) when they entered office. Third, as Obama points out, experience does not qualify / disqualify someone from an effective administration. Look at the amount of experience that was in the Bush cabnit, and look how well the last 8-years have gone. When people just make blatant statements like "Obama has no experience," it really makes think they have lost their ability to think critically, and see beyond the soundbyte rhetoric that GOP pundits spew out.

kylekilljoy · 08-31-2008, 08:49 PM

First off i would just like to note that with all of Bush's experience he proved that you can still mess up, even with years of experience, so that argument is pretty much null in my book
And correct me if im wrong here, but McCain's VP choice really seems to be a quick tactic to win the bitter hillary supporters vote

PaoloSmythe · 09-01-2008, 06:23 AM

so CNN this past weekend ran the life stories of the two prez candidates. sadly i saw only McCain's but frankly, Obama has received so much coverage, i feel as tho he is running for UK prime minister! (and gawd knows he'd be better than the pork chop currently in control of me!)

there were 'tear jerking' references to his 'near death' experiences in vietnam etc... but what became most obvious was that he was someone who has been afforded his position in life, due to the success of his father. the parallel of this guy who liked to party more than to study (to the extent of not knowing how to eject from his aircraft) is more than just a little similar to the guy he seeks to replace.

america deserves better than a second generation recipient of elitism. AGAIN

as for the female fascist...... well her neighbours are the recalcitant russians! (damn them for copying western foreign policy stratagems!) also she is true to right wing philosophy and so will receive Rep support and is a WOMAN!

i hear that Palin is too right wing to be attractive to disgruntled Hillary supporters.... but any pro-hillary who would have cast their vote on the basis of gender, would still (i am sure) see Palin as a second best alternative to just another dominant male (and a black man no less!)

i do not think it wise to dismiss Palin as being too right wing to enjoiy the support of those who would act on the basis of sexual (or racial) descrimination!

and then there's this Wooten Scandal....???

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