mpdsnowman

Wrong again....20 years

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^^^Not at all surprising given the notions you hold on to. Like I said, you hate any kind of education.

None of that means anything to the people that denied treatment and go bankrupt from medical issues. Show me something tangible besides, "Yeah well look around you" and "My buddy..."

It's like you want to believe your own BS and will do everything BUT look into the issue. Again, you are flat out wrong. You might consider making that your signature.

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mpdsnowman

Ok now I got ya....Show me proof not a mike moore show. Actual proof where a hospital denies treatment to someone who walks in...I wanna see that.. And if it does there is a specific reason why but I dont think u will find that in our country. We get treated regardless of H.I. Its only a matter of how it gets paid.

show me proof again where Americans go into a hospital walkin clinic or emergency room and get denied because they do not have money or H.I.

Dig deep u wont find it as a routine. Again "Denied" treatment. Show us please.

Even the homeless get treated here. and yes I pay that thru increases in H.I.

And dont real life situations count for something. U think Frank in this true example is the freak??? Actually he is a freak and he got treated....

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Ok Sure

Local Las Vegas >> North Las Vegas » Disabled Kids Denied Healthcare Treatment

Veterans not entitled to mental health care, U.S. lawyers argue

Think Progress » DeLay: ‘No American Is Denied Health Care In America’

That took 1 minute from that shit tool called Google. Are you sure your name isn't Tom Delay?

I also realize that there was no point in posting those articles because you will continue to wallow in your own ignorance. Like I said in another thread, you can lead mpd to water, but you can't make him drink.

Edit: SO now that I've actually backed up what I said, how about you do the same? Is that too much to ask? There is no point in continuing if your not going to do me the same courtesy. Not to mention that by your own admission, it should be easy for you to refute my spurious claims.

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tomtom88

im not going to contradict what you've shown because what you've shown is true. But what you have shown doesn't paint the whole picture, it doesn't break down why there are that many people uninsured. Only 80% of those 47.5 million people are citizens. the other 20% aren't citizens. that takes 9.5 million off of that initial number. then you have the people who like like to compete with the "jones'" and opt out of health care so they can "afford" a larger house, a snazzier car or whatever else they can compare. when it comes down to availability there is no doubt that it is out there ready and available. what the hell do we pay medicaid and medicare out our own paychecks for? we pay that for those who do not have health insurance. it fills the void left by treating an uninsured patient. i recently received six stitches just under my left eye. to further back up mpd, i have no health insurance, they performed the procedure and i now receive a bill from the hospital showing me the remaining balance of the cost for that procedure.

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Perpetual3am

Then if what I've shown is true, both yours and Mpd's experiences would be the minority, right? And if those facts are correct, why again did I need to check ebsco and not google?

Now what happens if you can't pay that bill and then need additional treatment? Are you saying you will get the exact same quality of care that someone with healthcare insurance would, even of your medical bills are unpaid? From what I've read, you wouldn't.

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tomtom88

first off i reccommended a search such as ebsco because it filters out all the uneducated skewed garbage. second, if mpd and i just identified with those 47.5 miliion and now we are the minority, then you just proved mpd's point of how this issue only affects the minority without insurance!?!?!? and no the quality of care isn't changed by whether or not you have insurance, unless you have an issue such as cancer and cannot get proper care due to lack of insurance. in such a case all that is needed is little creativity, appeal to the public, seek charity and empathy, you know, pull on the public's heart strings. see thats the thing being an american means being compassionate. its unreal how many funds are out there for these specific instances. especially when children are incvolved.

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But I can't access it, so how is that helpful to anyone on this board?

So minor things, no problem, but if you get cancer you need to get charity in order to get treatment? Yeah, awesome system! You should read that article about kids not getting in-home treatment, completely contradicts what your saying.

And this is why we ask for something of substance, instead of personal experience. I'm done with this until either of you show me something concrete.

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tomtom88

i said such as ebsco. there are numerous quality searches out there other than ebsco but lets not dwell on that. if you find quality articles on google awesome. it works, there is just more sifting to be done. anyways, what i was implying by the whole charity deal was that if you dont have insurance and you unluckily contract cancer then a charity is a very good option. also there are charity hospitals all over our country that are funded solely by non-profit organizations. completely no charge to the patient and their families as well as hospitals that operate at severely low cost rates. all providing superior treatment.

here is one solid source of no-cost health care..
The Uninsured: Access to Medical Care

quote from link above

"The State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) is the largest expansion of health insurance coverage to children since the enactment of Medicaid in 1965. Like Medicaid, the program is a partnership between federal and state governments.

Enacted as part of the Balanced Budget Act in 1997, SCHIP was designed to expand health insurance coverage to working families that earn too much for traditional Medicaid, yet not enough to afford private health insurance.
Under the program, children may be eligible for physician visits, prescription medications, and hospitalizations at little or no cost. While states have different eligibility rules, most state programs qualify uninsured children who are 19 years old and younger and whose families earn up to $36,200 a year (for a family of four). Most states also cover dental care, eye care, and medical equipment. People who want to find out whether their children are eligible for SCHIP should call 1-877-KIDS-NOW. Parents and other household members do not have to give information about their immigration status to qualify for the program.
ACEP has worked to educate emergency physicians about this program as a partner in the Covering Kids campaign. Many ACEP state chapters have partnered with local SCHIP programs to identify eligible children and promote the program by providing information and resources to uninsured families during emergency department visits.
A study published by Annals of Emergency Medicine in December 2004 found emergency departments are an effective place to enroll children in government health insurance programs, and that these enrollment program can generate enough revenue for the hospital to pay for the program costs and then some."

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mpdsnowman

Absolutely there is no descrimination in our health care system...ever heard of the term Liable. U think a Doctor or office or hospital will treat someone once and refuse additional treatment because of this issue??? There would be lawyers waiting in line to take that case and those doctors would loose big time.

boy u really are missing the point. They will make that treatment regardless of if u have health insurance. Many health insurance plans may not cover the entire cost of heavy cancer treatments. But in a private society we and the doctors have control over these issues where your govt is the sole control over the doctors.

Ur not gonna like this but again a real life story. Its true I dont lie. A friend from Carrier where I worked, his son had a very rare cancer. H.I couldnt pay for the entire treatment only 70%. Problem is that 30% was alot of estimated money over time of the treatments. Well because the hospital was already treating this boy they got to the point where they had to do something, so...ready here we go.

They enrolled him in a new experimental treatment program at the hospital and....ready...THEY ALSO GAVE HIM THE OLD TREATMENT AS WELL. Of course the boy died a year later, that was a given considering. But he was never denied treatment and when that issue with the H.I and personal money and charities couldnt cover it, the hospital administration(yes these are the things they decide in their jobs) agreed to put him in the program..soley for the purpose of treating him.

What happened to that extra 30%. Its burried in the H.I. premium over time.

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