Perpetual3am

I don't care about your personal experiences as they don't show the true picture. I've given you enough to show that your experiences are not the norm, you refuse to see the truth, I can't do anything more for you. Show me something tangible...but we both know you have no idea what your talking about and won't provide anything except bedtime stories.

Edit: BTW I love the typical Mpd style of debate, you call me out on showing you people denied treatment, I show you examples of such (not 2 minutes later because they were so hard to find) and still you give me nothing but personal experiences. So now put up or shut up.

And when did this become a US vs. Canada debate? I think you're still harboring some ill feelings from when I showed you your ass on that one.

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tomtom88

except for you know, my LAST POST. i provided a specific example of an option open to EVERYONE. including those w/o health insurance.

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Perpetual3am

Yes, but that doesn't show at all how the program actually works in reality. Its great on paper, but why is it so easy to find stories of kids going without? And none of that shows how adults are cared for, children only make up a small percentage of the people without access to health care. Sorry, but you'll have to try harder, as Mpd is definitely not going to provide anything.

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mpdsnowman

Ok here is where your links proove me right...sorry u took the bait In the first case of local las vegas child that was denied treatment(initially) because red tape in medicade??? here is a quote from that article..

There u go! There all gonna receive proper care perp and that mother with others can breathe easy now cant they??? Again once it gets to a certain level it will be taken care of. even by another state in this case.

In the case of the mental vetrans vs George and Co...Guess what Perp! U got it babe there gonna get treated..

The judge denied the dismissal of the lawsuit by the current administration and with that the laywers for the vetrans will get the clients treated during the lawsuit.

On the third link boy u really are bringing in some humerous propaganda here. U should work for bin laden...
Here we have a majority leader who said this:
And the only thing your link does is state a bunch of people in another country laughing and a reference to Michael Moore...

If ur gonna post links post ones that reflect the attitudes of US Citizens not brits who watch micheal moores movie.....AND MADE HIM RICH ENOUGH TO AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE

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I can give personal stories, too. Doesn't mean that privatized health care is the way to go. My wife's uncle is in the hospital as we speak... Cirrhosis of the liver and he still drinks. Nice job buddy, right? He's been a life long fisherman, but is out of work due to his illness and disability. So, no insurance, and the fisherman fund (or what ever it is they were talkin about) isn't payin'. So, he's in the hospital, gettin' treatment for a condition he did to himself. And who's payin' for it MPD? It doesn't magically get paid by the "Hospital Bill Ferry". Tax payers pick up the bill. WE pick up the bill with higher premiums, and higher medical bills and higher medicine costs. The hospital can't afford to treat people for free. They still get paid, and SOMEBODY has to cover it. It's you, it's me and it's the rest of society payin' taxes and payin for their medical treatment. What a naive way to think. Oh, the care is expensive, so that 30% just goes away.

So, if that cost is being paid for basically in a socialistic fashion, then why not make it official?

Now, MPD, have you thought about the jobs it will create and how companies, both small and big will benefit from a universal, government paid health care? If a business doesn't have to pay medical for it's employees, that just might become higher wages, or more R&D, or more open job positions, or more growth... how exactly is privatize health care going to do that at the current crisis we're in?

I'd say open your mind a little bit, quit taking "snap shots" from personal experiences and look at the BIG picture. There's a ton of people with unfortunate conditions and no health care going untreated. Tons that are getting treatment, but it's being paid for by the rest of us. And there are TONS with conditions they did to themselves that the rest of us are covering!! It's a flawed system and it needs to be fixed.

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tomtom88

that one particular link i provided did only pertain to children, however i brought up no-cost hospitals. not just children's hospitals. i like how you ignore the parts of the post that you can't refute.

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Perpetual3am

Those veterans haven't won yet, you know that right? Post traumatic stress is known by doctors the world over, but yet your vets have to fight to get the country (you know the one they fought for) to recognize their needs. And while your gov't tries to find a way out, they suffer. How many may commit suicide while waiting? See how your personal experiences don't cover that? You showed me nothing.

You just can't seem to see the lengths that people have to go to get adequate care in your country. Of course they will get sorted out when the media got involved, but how sad is it when that is the only way people can get things done? You still haven't refuted medical bankruptcy, the people that die waiting for treatment, inadequate treatment when they do actually get it, and why 47.5 million people don't have healthcare in your country.

I guess it was too much to ask for you to provide something.

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Perpetual3am

What was in there to refute? Like I said, stories abound of kids not getting the proper or adequate treatment, how does showing me a program refute that? Obviously either people don't know about the program (which is a failing of your gov't) or it doesn't work. What part did I ignore?

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tomtom88

yay! someone new in the conversation!!!

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mpdsnowman

Slimp I already stated this. I know who ultimately pays. Read the last page I already said this. Were way beyond that point.


I know this and I also know now that its in the justice system they will get treated, the non dismissal sets it all up, that was the ONLY legal option the adminstration had and it was in fact denied SO...Its a matter of time but no way in hell are that many vetrans with lawyers loose and yes they will get treated..when I cant answer but they will.


Perp please I see the lengths we Americans have to go thru. Geeze just last week I was at a fund raiser for a guy who is dying..I fully understand the system isnt perfect and neither is yours!

Slimp is one better than the other?? Let me put it to u this way...If ur truly sick that is a completely moute point. People in the states will get treated and people in Canada will get treated. The only difference is who is spinning the wheel.

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