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Old 02-13-2009, 04:38 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I think you're missing the point of what spending does... it generates jobs, both DIRECTLY and INDIRECTLY. I don't doubt that some of the spending is bullshit, but after reading you're list, it's apparent you don't have a grasp on how economics and society work. I'll break it down line by line for you.

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1. 5.5 BILLION for making federal buildings "green"
although this may help a bit in monthly bills how long will it take to pay this back???lol
You are assuming that's it's just to save money in monthly bills by conserving. While this is the final outcome and one that helps the environment, the true stimulus comes from the massive amount of jobs it will take to retro-fit all the federal building to be "green". This will not only create construction jobs, but those that manufacture "green" products, shipping the products, installing the products, researching the products, designing new "green" products, etc... SO you see, 5.5 billion is a damn good start to getting more people back to work and sparking new businesses.

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2. 198 million to design and furnishthe DHS headquarters.
Again, jobs need to be filled in order to design and furnish... almost a repeat of answer above.

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3. 75 million for the Smithsonian
This one I'm not wild about... but it's a drop in the bucket... 3.75 mil is not much compared to the overall package, so I'm not gonna cry about it. It needs to be done, why not now?

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4. 88 million for RENOVATING the headquarters of the Public Health Service
And people bitch because merrill execs spend 1.2 million of THEIR money to upgrade their executives office...LOL hypocrites.
Again, any renovating creates jobs. Directly and indirectly... simple really, but you have to look down the road a bit. And the criticism against CEOs spending money one stupid shit was because they asked for bail out money... maybe they should have taken their own money and bailed themselves out. I don't see that as being hypocritical. The gov is generating jobs with tax payer money... the bailed out CEOs were bailing out their poor business decisions so they could still make billions with tax payer money.

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5. 200 million for workplace saftey in dept. of agric
Not sure if I like this one either, but a necessity to have. Safer environments make for production increase and less money being spent on injured employees. Again, not really a negative.

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6. 300 million MORE, on top of the 600 Million, for more hybrid and electric cars for feds.
This is a fuckin' no brainer, but apparently you need a breakdown. Buying these guys for government fleet vehicles will employ hundreds to thousands of people to be able to produce the massive amount of cars this will take. It will create jobs not only with the automakers themselves, but all the businesses that created the parts and accessories that go in to making a car... like batteries, windshield wipers, seats, radios, headlamps, etc... Plus, this first round of buying up the electric cars pays for the R&D, which allows the automakers to produce a second round more affordable to the public, which will cause more of the rest of us to buy more cars... creating even MORE jobs. OH, and did I mention this will start to lessen our demand for oil?


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7. 180 million for construction for the us fish and wildlife
Don't be a dick... what ever we can do to protect our wildlife, do it. 180 mil is nothing. Besides, it's generating jobs... do you get this yet. The CREATION of jobs.

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8. 500 million for national institutes of health facilities in maryland(earmark)
I'll read more on this one... no opinion

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9. 300 million for constructing fed bureau of investigation office buildings. SeRiOuSlY?????
And again, creation of jobs... do you know how many people are employed on a building construction site... and how many other businesses benefit from that as well because they're providing the parts and materials needed. Even down to Sears benefiting because they're selling hammers to construction workers.

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10. 307 million for making more national institute for standards and tech buildings
Again... construction job creation. Oh, did I mention that construction workers spend the money they make on things like food, clothes, motorcycles, cars, snowboards, etc... so that helps retail doesn't it? And when retail starts booming, stocks start booming... see a trend yet?
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11. 1 billion for administration costs and construction of national oceanic and atmospheric administration BUILDINGS
I'm just hoping you see the trend by now.

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12. 75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI. how will this help YOU?
Agreed... maybe not the best allocation. But a drop in the bucket.

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13. 6 billion to turn fed buildings green. LOL
CONSTRUCTION JOBS... same as above. Many people benefit. It's not just about "being green" but employing people to make it "green".

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14. 75 million to construct a new security training facility for state dept security officers. whats wrong with the one they have now?
Probably not wrong with it... but it doesn't employ extra people just sitting there. Building a new one will create some new jobs.

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heres something i came across. while the govt is putting 2 BILLION for manufacturing advanced batteries for hybrid cars ford's sales are going through the roof on the F150. this is not 'green'. ford is adding shifts and employees to build the truck. people dont wanna buy the green cars obama and the govt is trying to force on the people. they buy the big dog trucks. ford is growing in that dept
I hate to say this, but you're a dumbass. Look beyond the states and look at cars like the Prius and other hybrids. Fastest growth my friend. Yes, people DO want to buy green. You don't. And what will "green" cars do? All AMERICANS to rely on AMERICAN fuel. That's more patriotic then buying up an F150 that relies on fuel from South America. Yes, we get our oil from south America, no the middle east.

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15. 650 million for digital tv....THIS IS SUCH A STIMULATE
It's a necessity. If you had any idea of the world of tech, you'd understand. It needs to happen, why not now. And it will create jobs... how? Doesn't the stuff have to be manufactured, sold, shipped, installed, software created, etc... figure it out. It's a trend... it's called job creation.

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16. 200 million for public computer centers at colleges and libraries. wow like everyone doesnt get by at a college or library now.
Now... what about the future... and again, job creation. Those computers will need to be created. Microsoft will need to create software to run on them... doesn't that take employees to create.

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17. relating to 16, 750 million EARMARK for national computer center
Job creation again... same as above... plus it NEEDS to be done. Quit being an old dude. Rush doesn't get it because he's an old dude and old dudes have a hard time with this digital era. Der interwebs is scurry ta me.

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18. this ones good, 850 million for amtrak, they havent made money is decades.
All the more reason to help them out... right. Getting people to use Amtrak and upgrading them gives people a viable option against driving and flying. Oh, and won't it create jobs?

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19. 100 million for lead paint hazard reduction....lol quit the taxless outsourcing
Agreed, quit the taxless outsourcing... guess what, Bush turned a blind eye to that. Obama has already made mention to that and is considering.


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all this and the tax cuts are MINUTE! they will save you 13ish dollars a week. that puts 13 extra dollars in your pocket a week. all this spending and nothing puts money in YOUR pocket. tax cuts put money in your pocket, hence increase spending. ya some will save, but more will spend. this is a joke. obama and the libs are going to sink with this ship. snow and the other two "republicans' arent conservatives. they suck and are out of the party. i go against the grain, therefore i think the right is right.
Can't sink with a ship that is already sunk. It's time to get on a new ship. Fed spending got us out of the Great Depression. Liberal and social programs dug America out of the worst shitstorm it was ever in. And it will do it again. Conservative, trickle down economics got us in this mess. You have an opinion, but I fear it's based on someone else's thinking rather than your own. You have to look at stuff beyond what you hear.
 
Old 02-16-2009, 10:36 AM   #42 (permalink)
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^^^I tend not to have the patience to do a "Paolo" type response with quotes and all that stuff. But this time it just needed to be done. I'm sick of those who think this stimulus package won't work, or that we'll be paying for it for a long time. We'll be paying for a war we didn't want for a long time and we'll be paying for the mistakes we've made in the past for a long time, regardless of a stimulus package or not. Right now, we need job creation and the only way to do that is to spend. And right now... middle class isn't spending, so the gov has too.
 
Old 02-17-2009, 10:58 AM   #43 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=Snowolf;120514] Why don`t the righties call for cutting that in favor of hiring KBR and Blackwater to do all our fighting for us at huge profit?

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F'n a right doggy ! I put my life on the line for 30K a year and thats after 15 years of service yet the gate guards who are contracted making 6 fuckin figures paid by WHO uncle sam! THATS JUST NOT RIGHT... Here's your sign. I am in no way a supporter of Obama, but I am in no way a supporter of mercs !
 
Old 02-17-2009, 11:17 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Privatizing sucks ass trust me man in theater they are all over, not only do they out source to KBR, blackwater ect... those puck ass companies outsource thier work to other countries. We called them TCN' s (third country nationals). For instance we had a huge electrical issue and the electrician payed by KBR would sit and watch 4 other TCN's do his job. OMFG ! Dude was making 120K as an electrician and watching others. I am not hating on the guy to get paid but Kellog root and mother fuckin brown's gettin paid and outsourcing to third world countries ! We would go on convoys for resupply and the KBR drivers makin 6 figures here I am drivin an up armour hum-v makin 30K!
Just a note. I don't do it for the money I do it for the satisfaction of serving my country in a patriotic manner.
 
Old 02-18-2009, 12:59 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I can't say much now because I haven't had a chance to read the entire thread... I did read the last few posts and wow, hm1! We certainly need reform regarding military salaries!!!

I will say this now... historically, govt spending has worked, but the current credit crunch is a different monster. I mean interest WAS essentially the backbone of the US economy.

I'll be back when I can read it all.
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The credit crunch is a different monster, and one we should all learn from. However, the job losses are not something we haven't seen. The gov spending will put a lot of people back to work, and allow them to start paying off their credit and get back to buying stuff again, that will help the retailers, manufacturers, shippings, etc...

The plan to help the banks won't be something we see turn the credit crisis around immediately, but it will slowly get banks to be able to lend to QUALIFIED applicants. Those who don't qualify will still be in the boat their in now.

What we should all learn from this mess... even if they'll loan us the money, if you can't afford the payments of a FIXED rate without going completely broke, then don't take the loan!
 
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The credit crunch is a different monster, and one we should all learn from. However, the job losses are not something we haven't seen. The gov spending will put a lot of people back to work, and allow them to start paying off their credit and get back to buying stuff again, that will help the retailers, manufacturers, shippings, etc...

The plan to help the banks won't be something we see turn the credit crisis around immediately, but it will slowly get banks to be able to lend to QUALIFIED applicants. Those who don't qualify will still be in the boat their in now.

What we should all learn from this mess... even if they'll loan us the money, if you can't afford the payments of a FIXED rate without going completely broke, then don't take the loan!
Yup!

On a related note i would like to thank the people selling their previously $260k house to me for 205k because they took out a 2nd loan against their equity and cant pay both loans back.
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Hey, even people with FREE houses are losing them.

Idaho 'Extreme Makeover' house faces foreclosure - OregonLive.com
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Hey, even people with FREE houses are losing them.

Idaho 'Extreme Makeover' house faces foreclosure - OregonLive.com
Whats funny is the entire article is pointless, they could have just stated
"The Coeur d'Alene Press reports Hebert used the house as collateral for a loan from Wells Fargo & Co. and he can no longer make payments."
and then i dont feel sorry for them.

Seriously 400k in Idaho? Thats gotta buy you one gigantic fucking house. And how do you blow through 400k...i have no sympathy for this man..only the kids.
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That dude is a perfect example of what happened... He couldn't afford the loan, but was granted one anyway. He couldn't figure it out on his own that he can't afford it, and the damn lenders couldn't figure it out either. WHAT the hell did they think was gonna happen?!
 
 

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