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gezsweet 03-25-2009 04:05 PM

the terrarists use social networking sites to discuss their plans of attack
really, this is what the British government is trying to tell us today in attempts to justify their extension of their bullshit Big Brother to the internets:

Millions of Britons who use social networking sites such as Facebook could soon have their every move monitored by the Government and saved on a "Big Brother" database.

Ministers faced a civil liberties outcry last night over the plans, with accusations of excessive snooping on the private lives of law-abiding citizens.

The idea to police MySpace, Bebo and Facebook comes on top of plans to store information about every phone call, email and internet visit made by everyone in the United Kingdom. Almost half the British population some 25 million people are thought to use social networking sites. There are already proposals under a European Union directive dating back to after the 7 July 2005 bombs for emails and internet usage to be monitored and added to a planned database to track terror plots.

But technology has moved on in the past three years, and the use of social networking sites has boomed so security services fear that that has left a loophole for terrorists and criminal gangs to exploit.

To close this loophole, Vernon Coaker, the Home Office minister, has disclosed that social networking sites could be forced to retain information about users' web-browsing habits. They could be required to hold data about every person users correspond with via the sites, although the contents of messages sent would not be collected. Mr Coaker said: "Social networking sites, such as MySpace or Bebo, are not covered by the directive. That is one reason why the Government are looking at what we should do about the intercept modernisation programme because there are certain aspects of communications which are not covered by the directive."

In exchanges with the Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Tom Brake, he insisted: "I accept this is an extremely difficult area. The interface between retaining data, private security and all such issues of privacy is extremely important. It is absolutely right to point out the difficulty of ensuring we maintain a capability and a capacity to deal with crime and issues of national security and where that butts up against issues of privacy."

Facebook boasts 17 million Britons as members. Bebo, which caters mainly for teenagers and young adults, has more than 10 million users. A similar number of music fans are thought to use MySpace.

Moves to include the sites in mass surveillance of Britons' internet habits has provoked alarm among MPs, civil liberties groups and security experts.

Mr Brake said: "Plans to monitor our phone and email records threaten to be the most expensive snooper's charter in history. It is deeply worrying that they now intend to monitor social networking sites which contain very sensitive data like sexual orientation, religious beliefs and political views. Given the Government's disastrous record with large IT projects and data security, it is likely that data will leak out of every memory stick, port and disk drive when they start monitoring Facebook, Bebo and MySpace."

Isabella Sankey, policy director at Liberty, said: "Even before you throw Facebook and other social networking sites into the mix, the proposed central communications database is a terrifying prospect. It would allow the Government to record every email, text message and phone call and would turn millions of innocent Britons into permanent suspects."

Richard Clayton, a computer security expert at Cambridge University, said: "What they are doing is looking at who you communicate with and who your friends are, which is greatly intrusive into your private life."

Chris Kelly, Facebook's chief privacy officer, said yesterday that it was considering lobbying ministers over the proposal, which he called "overkill".

A Home Office spokeswoman said the Government was not interested in the content of emails, texts, conversations or social networking sites. She added: "We have been clear that communications revolution has been rapid in this country and the way in which we collect communications data needs to change so law enforcement agencies can maintain their ability to tackle terrorism and gather evidence."

Now 'Big Brother' targets Facebook - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

I can just imagine the infidels casually sitting in an e-cafe or cave with their wireless connections discussing their ops on western public networking sites! I would think they're a bit smarter than that?!

SpringheelJack 03-25-2009 05:50 PM

Stuff like this is why I just giggle every time Brits criticize the US. The government over there is turning into the first world version of a third world dictatorship.

MunkySpunk 03-25-2009 09:07 PM

Brits have a much more severe problem with homegrowns than the U.S... Not to say the U.S. doesn't have them either, tho.

Trust me, the only thing that kept the Bushies from doing it was the sheer volume of traffic that has to be monitored compared to the (relatively) paltry traffic of 25M limeys. If the Rumsfeld/Cheney posse could have done it, they would have. Hell, I still wouldn't be surprised if a story broke about how they wired up the net (moreso than is already known) along with the phone taps years ago.

PaoloSmythe 03-26-2009 06:20 AM

all of this assumes that govs are not already trawling such online, social, exchanges

i find it strange that anyone could look at facebook (and similar) and expect privacy to be respected. by its very nature, it is not from the very start!

PaoloSmythe 03-26-2009 06:48 AM

an attack against you MPD isn't terraristic.... it would be humanitarian

SpringheelJack 03-26-2009 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by PaoloSmythe (Post 148806)
all of this assumes that govs are not already trawling such online, social, exchanges

i find it strange that anyone could look at facebook (and similar) and expect privacy to be respected. by its very nature, it is not from the very start!

Private companies, and some government occupations like teachers have fired people based on their Myspace pages, and people have been arrested because of them too.

Bottom line, if you post incriminating information about yourself on the internet, you're retarded, and deserve whatever's coming to you. I find Britain's policy amusing because of their continuing policy of attempting to keep everyone under surveillance 24/7. Governments using social networking sites as a source of info is mainly a waste of their time, because few people are stupid enough to post anything incriminating, but I have no problem with them doing it beyond that. It's a public forum with no expectations of privacy.

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