ultimately, in a civilisation without the monetary system, everything is free. if everything is free, nobody needs to want for anything.
Which is entirely based on the assumption that a) There exists enough 'stuff' for everybody to have an equal share in it b) Joe is content with an ugly wife (euphamism for inferior genetics) while his neighbor has a hot wife, despite the fact that Joe and his neighbor are equal in all measurable ways, and c) it will never occur to Joe to ask 'Why did I get the ugly wife and what can I do to score a hot wife?'
there would only be an equal sharing of all the world's finite resources, in a manner that is mutually beneficial to all and sustainable for all time.
Finite resources, therein lies the inequality. What happens when a resource gets quite scarce? Who gets their share and who doesn't? How is this determined?
certainly, the acquisition of wealth is used as a criterion in selecting a breeding partner. of course, such doesn't ensure the exclusion of cheats, such as gold diggers and succubuses!
Agreed, but such actions encourage selection for other traits, such as a rationale minds capable of quite sophisticed deviousness.
but this monetary system is a byproduct of just one aspect of human behaviour and as such, is not a direct genetic trait.
therefore the money hungry greed 'instinct' is not an instinct at all, but is simply a product of our environment; we are told that girls like the fast cars, big TVs and designer clothes, but that doesn't make it any more true, than wimmin being told that those fellas with such things are the best sperm donors!
Wanting money is not a direct genetic trait, no. But in today's society, the intrinsic genetic trait of selfishness manifests itself as monetary greed (among other things). Those who have the genetics to thrive in modern society will, logically, be the most likely to have the fast cars and fancy clothes. It's the manifestations of basic drives and urges wearing a mask of modern society.
richness = fitness?
That's what I'm getting at, yes. As fucked up, artificial and perverted as it is - a six pack abs, fast car and fancy clothes are the human equivalent of a strong lion with a great mane.
it is self destructive, unethical and ultimately a fraud AGAINST humanity.
and we are to believe it is within our nature?
Destruction of the species (as a whole) is not necessarily in our nature. However making myself appear, to that hot girl over there, more fit to fuck than the next guy is what it's all about. If that means stealing the other guy's car and driving it into the river, or beating the piss out of him behind the bar is what it takes for me to score (pass on my chromosomes), so be it. The species will survive, and I'll have passed on my genes.
and still, this is a symptom of the monetary system. i am not trying to bust your chops here by labouring this point; it is just that it is a difficult concept to convey.
I know you're not trying to bust my chops, we're having a debate, not an argument.
Anyway I disagree, the monetary system is merely a convenient way to quantify and horde labor and production. The desire to lift oneself over your competitor is still there, it just manifests itself, in our society, as monetary greed. Instinct is the cause, monetary greed is the consequence. Wanting more land, a bigger hut, or a hotter wife could just as easily be the consequences.
the idea of someone having a qualitative better blah blah blah is a consequence of scarcity. without money, everyting is attainable.
Unless the finite resource it is too scarce for everyone to share.
suddenly, without the desire for 'keeping up with the Jones' you do not need to entertain the superficial and consumeristic.
It doesn't need to manifest itself as superficial and consumeristic, but it WILL manifest itself in some way shape or form. I don't want to keep up with the Jones', particularly if Mrs. Jones is a hottie (superior mate) and I want to fuck her. Then I'll try to surpass the Jones' and land myself a better mate so I can pass on my genes. Whether I'm building a bigger hut, driving a faster car, or beating the shit out of Mr. Jones in front of his family and killing his kids so Mrs. Jones ovulates (lions)... there will ALWAYS be some sort of inequity to overcome. Those who are richer (not necessaily money) will try to hold onto it, and those who are poorer will try to get it.
Money and capitalism aren't the cause, they're just the manifestation of the consequence.
What I'm getting at is that even if it's not money, it will be SOMETHING that one it trying to obtain to set him apart from the others and make himself more fit. Humans print money, peacocks grow feathers, birds of paradise dance, male lions kill each other, bacteria develop antibiotic resistance... the drive is as ancient as anything else on this planet.