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Old 06-01-2009, 10:01 AM   #11 (permalink)
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^ Speculation he said she said know one will ever know the truth.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 10:08 AM   #12 (permalink)
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1.Amadou Diallo, a 22-year-old immigrant from West Africa, was killed in the vestibule of the building where he shared a small apartment with two roommates. Four officers fired 41 shots. Diallo, who worked as a street peddler, was hit by 19 of the bullets fired.

The officers were reportedly looking for a serial rapist and thought Diallo had a gun, but no gun was found, officials said.
Third world country would expect more?

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2. Sean Bell, 23, died in November 2006 in a 50-bullet barrage -- 31 fired by one cop Detective Oliver -- hours before he was to be married.
Two of his companions were wounded in the gunfire outside a Queens nightclub.
Dt. Oliver had fired off 31 rounds, including a pause to reload to continue shooting.

Knowing how far and wide racism is within the NYPD, there is NO WAY that this officer turned around, gun in hand and pointed at a white police officer. It's possible that Edwards identified himself and the officer did not hear him.
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What caused the officer to draw his weapon?
 
Old 06-01-2009, 05:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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While I agree 100% here, this also transcends race. It speaks of a deeper, more sinister problem with police as a whole. Here in Portland, the Police just killed yet another unarmed retarded guy. Last year, the Sandy Police shot and killed an unarmed naked man at a traffic accident scene. The man was naked because all of his clothes were burnt off from the crash and he was hysterical from the intense burns so the cops shot him. In all of the last 5 high profile cases where the Portland Police have killed someone, it has been white on white and the victim has been unarmed.

Every time, these thugs get off scott free and cops are never held accountable. In your story, it said 41 shots fired; to me that is pretty excessive force. Police in this country are becoming nothing more than SS style storm troopers with their jack boots and arm bands. They have a real "us versus" them mentality when it comes to the civilian population. These bullies are making it terrible for the dwindling few cops on the force who are interested in serving the public and protecting society. I feel bad for the good ones.

Alarmingly, I see this attitude within the military as well. As a former military guy myself, I find this attitude disturbing. The top brass in the military tends to promote this attitude and I see a real change in the attitudes of military members today from what it was like when I was in. Something to keep in mind is in just about every dictatorship in the world, it has been the country`s own military and police who have turned against the populations and the government. I think we have more to fear from our police and our military than we do from criminals.
It's an amazing scenerio you depict.

I am fortunate to have trained with military personel but never to have served. I'm too much of a free thinker. Unfortunately growing up in the 'hood' of the Bronx in NY, there were few escapes that my friends and I could choose from; military, police, or dealing. About 90% of my friends joined various branches of the the military, 2% police, the rest either ended up dead or in jail. Guess I was too clean cut for any of the other pursuits.

Out of the 92%, about 75% were dicks, bullies, and junior SS in train, so it makes sense they would go to careers where they could flex their 'dicklike' tendancies. The ones in the military got out and either went into law enforcement or security to continue their dickdom.

I tend to loathe the police. I've never seen so much crookedness in any other profession. From all the cops I personally knew, only 1 I keep in touch with and it's more of a like/loathe kinda relationship. But I guess there is a general attitude that must prevail in order to want to join. I'm one of the lucky ones who didn't have to choose between the 2. Then again, I don't feel the need to be superior to everyone or beat them into submission with either my attitude or hands.

You're very right about fearing the military and the police more so then the criminals. It's hard to prove self defense when there's no black or white but blue and camo.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 07:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Dude's a murderer, not a hero. Too bad. Could have been a hero had he had a brain and called the cops and didn't pump more bullets into the kid.

I don't think it's always a race issue with the cops. In Seattle, about a month ago, so cops were patrolling a Belltown neighborhood and there was a robbery. A lady pointed as this 20 some year old and said he had something to do with it (white kid, white cops). The cops were dressed in all black attire. Witnesses say they yelled at the kid, NOT identifying who they were. The kid ran. It's the middle of the night and dudes in black are yelling and running at you. What do YOU do? The kid finally just stop. This part is actually on video!! The kid stopped, yet the cop still tackles him and full bore, right in to a concrete wall, smashing the kids head and sending him to a comma. He's still in it. Turned out, the kid was innocent and was not involved what so ever.Video from the store proved him innocent. Nice job.

I heard or read this (can't remember), but it makes sense. There's a huge use of steroids with cops. Not all, so if you're a cop that doesn't, then good for you. Maybe this abuse of power has a lot to do with roid rage?? Just a thought. But cops do love to abuse power, and for some reason, they keep doing it.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 07:31 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Yeah, once you walk over to pump more bullets into someone who was probably already going to die, you're no longer defending yourself. Now you're in Falling Down territory.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 07:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Yes, there are too many news stories surfacing about this to be ignored. Here are just a couple of links along with the fact that the DOD has been polling soldiers to ascertain which ones would fire on American civilians without question. The very institution that is supposed to protect American freedom and democracy is fast becoming it`s greatest threat.

I could never in good conscience, re join the American military today. What it was when I was serving has been corrupted and I want no part of it. Our government must regain better civilian control over our military.

These news reports concern the DOD`s belief that as a result of the economic crisis, they will need to step in regain control from civil unrest. I find this attitude very ironic considering that this crisis is not even close to the magnitude of the Great Depression and there was no need for military intervention then. I see the military using anything they can as an excuse to bully the American population.

Study: DoD May Act On US Civil Unrest

Unrest caused by bad economy may require military action, report says - El Paso Times

THEWARAT.HOME: U.S. MILITARY CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLANNING

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1 - Army News, news from Iraq, - Army Times

Sounds a lot like the "mission statements" from the SS, STASI, KGB or Al Qaeda.....
Sounds like we should be ready for another National Guard vs Kent State again. If you don't agree with what they tell you, then they'll force you to believe.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 10:38 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Yes, there are too many news stories surfacing about this to be ignored. Here are just a couple of links along with the fact that the DOD has been polling soldiers to ascertain which ones would fire on American civilians without question. The very institution that is supposed to protect American freedom and democracy is fast becoming it`s greatest threat.

I could never in good conscience, re join the American military today. What it was when I was serving has been corrupted and I want no part of it. Our government must regain better civilian control over our military.

These news reports concern the DOD`s belief that as a result of the economic crisis, they will need to step in regain control from civil unrest. I find this attitude very ironic considering that this crisis is not even close to the magnitude of the Great Depression and there was no need for military intervention then. I see the military using anything they can as an excuse to bully the American population.

Study: DoD May Act On US Civil Unrest

Unrest caused by bad economy may require military action, report says - El Paso Times

THEWARAT.HOME: U.S. MILITARY CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLANNING

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1 - Army News, news from Iraq, - Army Times

Sounds a lot like the "mission statements" from the SS, STASI, KGB or Al Qaeda.....
Dude ! WTF over !
Take the california riots, watts riots for example, say the downfall of the economy goes to that kind of extreme who the F&&& do you think needs to go in and restore order? Look at those incedents you can't tell me that those actions were justified. Just because shit got bad does not justify their actions. Some ass hats starts rioting and looting around my home ya I will not second guess to put a few rubber bullets in his/her ass !
You talk as if the Military is a bad thing their SW and so corrupt, your wrong brother so wrong in so many ways I could go on for days on this subject but do to some of the personalities and the majority of the members on this forum I don't think it would even fn matter.
" protect from all enemies both foreign and domestic"
Please explain what you meen by civilian control over teh military I am intrigued. It's an all volunteer force made up of civilians. I find it totally irrationale you want civilian control of the military. Honestly I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

Military bullying the american population...LMFO hell ya brother like I mentioned if some fuckin yahoooss decide the economy is in such a shit storm they feel the need to riot, loot, and creat chaos I have no problem being called upon to help restore order. I would think the only time the military would be called out would be due to some type of large scale domestic disturbance.
 
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I haven't seen the video of this yet, but if I understand what happened correctly the shopkeeper should be prosecuted. Probably not for murder but some kind of voluntary manslaughter.

You have the right to defend your life and property against threats like this, and lethal force is acceptable to do so. Nobody can argue the first shot, and if that had been the one that killed him this wouldn't be an issue. But once the guy was down, bleeding from the head and unconscious the threat is gone, and putting 5 more bullets in him basically makes it an execution. The shopkeeper is going to have a hard time arguing self defense for the second round of shots since he apparently repeatedly passed by the wounded robber with his back turned to him, and had time to go get a second gun with which to finish the kid off. As far as I know the cops did not find a gun on the robber who was killed, so once he was down from the first shot the threat was truly over.

I'm sure it's not easy to think clearly when you're actually in a situation like this, but I believe that being prepared to make the right choice is part of being a responsible gun owner.
The camera doesn't show the man om the ground. Who's to say that he wasn't getting up.
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The camera doesn't show the man om the ground. Who's to say that he wasn't getting up.
After getting shot in the head, the kid wasn't going anywhere.
 
Old 06-02-2009, 04:53 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Now you're in Falling Down territory.
"I've passed the point of no return. Do you know what that is, Beth?"

love that film. so anyone up for a defence of diminished responsibility?

or hows aboot 'irresistible impulse'?

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