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Old 05-30-2009, 12:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This is a good topic to see how people feel about what happened.
IMHO the only crime committed was the pharmacist's failure to turn off the camera. That and this statement: "He didn't have to shoot my baby like that," Parker's mother, Cleta Jennings, told TV station KOCO. But it was okay for your baby to rob a store at gunpoint.
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Old 05-30-2009, 03:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I haven't seen the video of this yet, but if I understand what happened correctly the shopkeeper should be prosecuted. Probably not for murder but some kind of voluntary manslaughter.

You have the right to defend your life and property against threats like this, and lethal force is acceptable to do so. Nobody can argue the first shot, and if that had been the one that killed him this wouldn't be an issue. But once the guy was down, bleeding from the head and unconscious the threat is gone, and putting 5 more bullets in him basically makes it an execution. The shopkeeper is going to have a hard time arguing self defense for the second round of shots since he apparently repeatedly passed by the wounded robber with his back turned to him, and had time to go get a second gun with which to finish the kid off. As far as I know the cops did not find a gun on the robber who was killed, so once he was down from the first shot the threat was truly over.

I'm sure it's not easy to think clearly when you're actually in a situation like this, but I believe that being prepared to make the right choice is part of being a responsible gun owner.
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Even if he does luck out with a sympathetic jury in the criminal case, there will surely be a civil suit for wrongful death or something like that which will wipe him out. Not even OJ could wriggle out of the civil end of his murder trial...
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He is a murderer. I feel sorry for him. He was a victim, then he became a perp. He should spend a very long time in prison. The irony is, so many criminals are victims in one fashion or another before they get desparate and become criminals. He certainly is not a hero.
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Yup, definitely a murderer. As others stated, as soon as he was no longer in danger the self-defense as a defense goes out the window. I would have knelt down, pretending to give him mouth to mouth and then sucked his soul out of him.
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Yup, definitely a murderer. As others stated, as soon as he was no longer in danger the self-defense as a defense goes out the window. I would have knelt down, pretending to give him mouth to mouth and then sucked his soul out of him.
OMG wouldn't soul sucking count as marriage?

This goes down as a case of excessive use of deadly force. He should be tried on murder charges for cross that line. Now some people in the media are overlooking the fact that the kid came in to rob the store in the first place, and this is being made into a race issue.
 
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Damn. That is one fucked up video. The general law in most states regarding self-defense is that you are able to meet like force with like force (i.e. if someone is using non-deadly force on you, you can not kill them.) Thus, no crime has been committed upon the first shot. Beyond that, things will get really dicey. Often voluntary manslaughter (or "2nd degree" murder) is reserved for people who do things in a "moment of passion" (i.e. coming home to find your wife in bed with someone else). Here, they might be able to argue that the store owner was still in a "moment of passion." But, it also looks like he had some real intent to kill that guy with the subsequant five shots. That is going to be a messy trial.

By why we are on the topic of people getting shot multiple times...what do people think about that off-duty cop who just got shot (6?) times?
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By why we are on the topic of people getting shot multiple times...what do people think about that off-duty cop who just got shot (6?) times?
Unfortunate incident. Like you said the undercover cop was off-duty and thus was most likely not wearing his items/colours that would've identified him as an undercover.

Thus the cop that shot merely saw one man being chased down the road by someone weilding a gun, a potentially lethal situation which they then proceeded to try and stop.

Six shots seems excessive and the cop perhaps needs more training on fire control as similar situation could easily have led to members of the public being shot.

do i think its a race issue? no.
 
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Unfortunate incident. Like you said the undercover cop was off-duty and thus was most likely not wearing his items/colours that would've identified him as an undercover.

Thus the cop that shot merely saw one man being chased down the road by someone weilding a gun, a potentially lethal situation which they then proceeded to try and stop.

Six shots seems excessive and the cop perhaps needs more training on fire control as similar situation could easily have led to members of the public being shot.

do i think its a race issue? no.

1.Amadou Diallo, a 22-year-old immigrant from West Africa, was killed in the vestibule of the building where he shared a small apartment with two roommates.

Four officers fired 41 shots. Diallo, who worked as a street peddler, was hit
by 19 of the bullets fired.

The officers were reportedly looking for a serial rapist and thought Diallo had a gun, but no gun was found, officials said.

2. Sean Bell, 23, died in November 2006 in a 50-bullet barrage -- 31 fired by one cop Detective Oliver -- hours before he was to be married.

Two of his companions were wounded in the gunfire outside a Queens nightclub.

Dt. Oliver had fired off 31 rounds, including a pause to reload to continue shooting.

Knowing how far and wide racism is within the NYPD, there is NO WAY that this officer turned around, gun in hand and pointed at a white police officer. It's possible that Edwards identified himself and the officer did not hear him.

NYC cops tend to shoot first, ask questions later, especially if you're black. And as progessive this city might be, there is rampant racism everywhere. Right now the ACLU is trying to sue the city due to it's 'stop and frisk policy' that tends to target blacks and hispanics. Now the police do not need cause to stop anyone they want.

Protecting the city also seems to give these cops the right to do whatever they want. You should see how many laws they break themselves. Try watching the movie Lakeview Terrace to get a nice view of the general attitude of the men in blue.
 
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By Errol Louis, Columnist for the NY Daily News

"Many will assume that the killing of Officer Omar Edwards was the result of a tragic but honest mistake, an accident with no malice or racial bias at work.

That would be a reasonable conclusion - and a dead wrong one.

There is nothing reasonable about the fact we never see black or Latino cops accidentally gunning down white undercover officers, but the reverse has been true in several high-profile cases.

It's true that Edwards may have violated Patrol Guide procedures by wheeling around with a weapon in his hand instead of instantly freezing and dropping his gun when ordered to do so.

The officers who killed Edwards may have violated policy, too. We don't know what kind of warning was shouted, and the fatal bullet reportedly entered Edwards' back, raising questions about why and when he was seen as a deadly threat.

For now, we must leave it to departmental investigators and the courts to sort out what happened.

But even before the evidence is in, what every New Yorker can do is acknowledge - and battle - the malicious myth that most black men are up to no good and likely to commit criminal violence.

It's a mindset that leads the public to believe nuts and fraudsters - most recently, Bonnie Sweeten of Florida, who set off a national search by falsely telling FBI agents she and her daughter had been kidnapped by two black men in a Cadillac.

The story wasn't true - and Sweeten faces criminal charges for lying - but America fell for it hook, line and sinker, launching national Amber alerts. In a similar case, a campaign worker named Ashley Todd last year falsely claimed a 6-foot-4 black man carved a "B" (for Barack Obama) into her cheek. That, too, was a lie.

And so was the 1994 tale spun by Susan Smith of South Carolina, who said a black bogeyman carjacked her two sons - who, it turned out, had died when Smith killed her children by rolling her car into a lake.

This isn't South Carolina or Pittsburgh or Florida: We New Yorkers like to pride ourselves on being tolerant and sophisticated. But we, too, are susceptible to the bias trap.

One news headline described Edwards as "mistaken for a thug" - a reminder of the slurs cops throw around on the job and off. People get classified as thugs, perps, skells, punks and worse.

An onslaught of gangsta rap and other cultural garbage bolsters the bias. We pay a heavy price by letting racist imagery, words and accusations slosh around society unchecked and unchallenged.

In the tense, split-second needed to separate a cop from a crook on a dark street, those myths may have cost a good man his life."
 
 

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