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Old 06-02-2009, 10:37 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Lesson learned is...if your biggest complaint is that you have been annoyed for a little while by a fellow human being who has not even reached puberty yet, consider yourself fortunate.
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Old 06-02-2009, 10:52 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't disagree, I think we ALL need to be a little more tolerant. But on the flip side. Letting a child be rude and inconsiderate of others space, is worse than someone being intolerant of that child's rude behavior. As a parent, you should be teaching that child that kicking others seats, being loud on planes, screaming in restaurants, etc... is rude and that is behavior that should stop. Allowing a child to act out and doing nothing and just "tolerating" it is going to manifest itself in different forms as the child gets older. And as they get older, they become MUCH harder to deal with if you haven't taught them respect before the age of 8. I've got a 14 year old. The shit you have to deal with then trumps the shit I had to deal with 5 years ago. It would be so much harder if he thought he was a little king and should do what ever he pleases.

I was in a flight last summer where the kid was a pain in the ass!! Sat across the isle from me. He was loud, cried a lot and wouldn't sit down. However, it didn't bother me that much because he was a little kid, maybe 3 or so, and his parents were trying really hard to get the child to calm down. Not all kids are angels and it was apparent that the parents weren't neglecting his bad behavior. But the parents that allow it annoy the shit out of me... and as for babies. Fuck, there's nothin' you can do. If they cry, you can't just tell a baby to stop. So be a bit tolerant of that.
 
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i think the problem is more with some parents than the kids really.
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Old 06-02-2009, 11:33 AM   #14 (permalink)
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What ever happened to a good old dose of tolerance? That's the problem with the "me" generation, so self-absorbed that they feel they should be able to control every aspect of their lives including the inconveniences made by others. With the vast amount of technology out there(noise canceling headphones,cell phones,ipods, laptops, PSPs etc.), I have absolutely no sympathy for a person that can't somehow distract themselves for the duration of an average flight.

People need to learn to deal with age old problems like babies on airlines instead of just deciding that things have to now change just because they can't or refuse to adapt. Sure crappy parents make a flight more difficult, but such is life, deal with it.
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"Tolerance" is one thing, but many parents today don`t do jack shit when it comes to actually parenting and teaching their children to behave. As a society, it seems that we are all expected to tolerate and accept shit behavior from rude people.

I agree that a certain level of "tolerance" is a requirement, but things have gone too far and some people do not have a clue how to be courteous to others. I see nothing at all wrong with telling these dumb asses that their behavior is rude and unacceptable. If a parent fails to make their child behave, they should be reproached by their fellow passengers and cabin crew. If they still don`t get it then they should be removed from the plane.

I use my Ipod to drown out noise, but that does not help when some urchin keeps kicking your seat back or climbing up on the seat and dropping their toys on the people in front of them or running wild up and down the aisle. When you pay good money for a flight, you have a right to expect a reasonable level of courtesy.

It is not society`s responsibility to always bow to the lowest common denominator and put up with shit behavior. Peer pressure is powerful and if these dumb asses who can`t control their brats have about 30 angry passengers in their face, then maybe they will think about actually becoming parents and control their kids.
I wish there was a clapping button( something to think about SW.) But I don't tolarate bullshit from adults who do things like that on a plane so why would I accept it from parents who let their kids run amuck. It's a plane not a day care. Some parents feel that the second they get on the plane that they're on vacation from parenting as well. I wish it was just planes but there are a lot more pansy uncontrolling parents everywhere these days raising spoiled brats soon to be adults.

Btw most babies on the plane are crying cause the pressure causes their ears to pop and it hurts. Older kids can at least chew gum. My son had a issue when he was a baby, and someone told me to shut him up. Not asked, told. I laughed and told him that if he kept complaining, I'd pay the woman next to him to switch seats with me.
 
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Fuck that.....


"Tolerance" is one thing, but many parents today don`t do jack shit when it comes to actually parenting and teaching their children to behave. As a society, it seems that we are all expected to tolerate and accept shit behavior from rude people.

I agree that a certain level of "tolerance" is a requirement, but things have gone too far and some people do not have a clue how to be courteous to others. I see nothing at all wrong with telling these dumb asses that their behavior is rude and unacceptable. If a parent fails to make their child behave, they should be reproached by their fellow passengers and cabin crew. If they still don`t get it then they should be removed from the plane.

I use my Ipod to drown out noise, but that does not help when some urchin keeps kicking your seat back or climbing up on the seat and dropping their toys on the people in front of them or running wild up and down the aisle. When you pay good money for a flight, you have a right to expect a reasonable level of courtesy.

It is not society`s responsibility to always bow to the lowest common denominator and put up with shit behavior. Peer pressure is powerful and if these dumb asses who can`t control their brats have about 30 angry passengers in their face, then maybe they will think about actually becoming parents and control their kids.
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It is not society`s responsibility to always bow to the lowest common denominator and put up with shit behavior. Peer pressure is powerful and if these dumb asses who can`t control their brats have about 30 angry passengers in their face, then maybe they will think about actually becoming parents and control their kids.
Nor is it our responsibility to penalize the majority because of the minority of shitty parents. Sorry but I see a lot more decent parents out there than the one's that don't seem to care about their child's behaviour. Not to mention that I've actually spoken to people on a flight about their children and had the problem resolved, mind you it took another passenger to concur with me when I brought it up.

Maybe it's time to start taking some Ambien on your next flight, problem solved!
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Nor is it our responsibility to penalize the majority because of the minority of shitty parents. Sorry but I see a lot more decent parents out there than the one's that don't seem to care about their child's behaviour. Not to mention that I've actually spoken to people on a flight about their children and had the problem resolved, mind you it took another passenger to concur with me when I brought it up.

Maybe it's time to start taking some Ambien on your next flight, problem solved!
Guess it might be location based as well. I travel frequently out of NY, and the sheer amount of lax yuppie parents out there worry me about how their kids will grow up, considering some of the little brats will grow up with the same or worse attitudes. Spare the rod and spoil the child. I also been told that their unruly child is 'expressing' himself/herself on numerous occasions. There little angel is exceptional and needs to 'express' themselves. A comedian said once every parent thinks their kid is exceptional but in reality, in a class of 30 you have 5 bright, 5 dumb, and 20 mediocre kids. No one's child is too exceptional to behave in public, and if a parent can't control their child, maybe it's the parent that needs the spanking.

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I don't disagree, I think we ALL need to be a little more tolerant. But on the flip side. Letting a child be rude and inconsiderate of others space, is worse than someone being intolerant of that child's rude behavior. As a parent, you should be teaching that child that kicking others seats, being loud on planes, screaming in restaurants, etc... is rude and that is behavior that should stop. Allowing a child to act out and doing nothing and just "tolerating" it is going to manifest itself in different forms as the child gets older. And as they get older, they become MUCH harder to deal with if you haven't taught them respect before the age of 8. I've got a 14 year old. The shit you have to deal with then trumps the shit I had to deal with 5 years ago. It would be so much harder if he thought he was a little king and should do what ever he pleases.

I was in a flight last summer where the kid was a pain in the ass!! Sat across the isle from me. He was loud, cried a lot and wouldn't sit down. However, it didn't bother me that much because he was a little kid, maybe 3 or so, and his parents were trying really hard to get the child to calm down. Not all kids are angels and it was apparent that the parents weren't neglecting his bad behavior. But the parents that allow it annoy the shit out of me... and as for babies. Fuck, there's nothin' you can do. If they cry, you can't just tell a baby to stop. So be a bit tolerant of that.
Amen! totally agree
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why stop at planes? ban the little bastards everywhere.
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why stop at planes? ban the little bastards everywhere.
No little bastard of your own? Very easy to say that then.
 
 

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