justdust

TFF: Wear your guns to church day???

Pastor Organizes Gun Celebration at Church - ABC News

Perpetual3am

Just another person who calls themselves a "man of god", yet has no clue what that actually means. What is it about religion that breeds stupid?

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slimpanzee

This dude is a quack.

This is a line of bullshit, too. Not necessarily the firearms part, but the deep-seeded belief in God is absolutely false. America was not founded on Christian beliefs. It was not designed to be a "Christian nation". The founding fathers were not necessarily Christian, and the constitution makes NO mention of God, Jesus or a higher power. It makes mention to the PEOPLE of the US, but NOT to a religion. And it makes mention to the SEPARATION of church and state. As for the US national motto "In God We Trust", that was not the US motto until 1956... many years after the birth of the US.

So, this county would be here without a deep-seeded belief in God and the founding fathers most likely HOPED that we wouldn't have such a deep-seeded belief, but rather a more tolerant belief in other's rights to believe what they want.

The gun part however, well that's just obvious. America likes guns.

snaplok

I think I saw a few violations against the commandments in that:

Thou shall not kill
Thou shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God


It's also strange that this pastor makes references to the 1st and 2nd Ammendments but correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there is a seperation between church and state?


It's things like this that make me glad I'm a catholic not a christian.

PaoloSmythe

is this nut job not promoting 'responsible gun ownership' with there being no mention of killing?

and also, religion is largely interpretative. hell, no scripture was ever written in modern english! so 'wrongful use' is highly subjective.

is there a commandment stating 'thou shall not defend thyself'?

hahahahaaaaa a coin drops?

yeah... much better to be a kiddie fiddler than a gun toter!

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snaplok

I'll group my responses together.

Killing is implied with responsible gun ownership.

Bible touters don't believe interpetation of the bible, it is the word of God, not man.

Self defense doesn't have to involve a gun( but it does help)

The world has had more that it's fair share of problems when church interferes with state. Hell, most of the Republican party wouldn't have a leg to stand on if it wasn't for the moral whip of the bible belt. Go ask Bush if he believes in dinosaurs or Adam and Eve. Or abortion, stem cell research, gay rights( think Cheney hahahah), enviornmental issues etc. Then ask him if the bible tells him to believe that.

Still stand by my hyprocritical, guilt ridden Roman Catholics. Just like the Irish.

PaoloSmythe

so your criticism implies that gun ownership is a negative thing, due to the sin it could easily create?

however, the reality of modern day life is that many people perceive a 'need' to possess this 'tool of imminent death', despite the risk that sins could come from it.

it could be said that in order to reduce this risk, the nut job pastor in this story is exploiting the influence he has over his congregation (afterall why would anyone attend his church if they weren't prepared to listen to his words?) to ensure that none of them hazard down a path of murder and sinful destruction.

as whacky as this guy might seem on the surface... is it not merely an act of proactive realism attempting to address a 'potential' problem within most of the households?

could you ever imagine a time when a catholic church promoted a counselling service for abused choir boys or similar such things that gave support by bringing the issue out into the open?

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snaplok

Not implying anything like that since I,like a few here, am a responsible gun owner. What I'm taking about is this pastor involving something that does not belong in church considering how influental the church is and how strongly it goes against abortion and homosexuality. Nutballs don't need anymore excuses to take up the cross for their moral crusade and now that a pastor brings gun into the church, that's just another tool for the holy army against the forces that tempt.

PaoloSmythe

considering that the church imposes itself upon a community, to the extent that it attempts to be the focal point of said community and a venue thru which most members would meet and socialise....

if such a place was gun toting and its pastor perceived a benefit to his congregation from implementing an initiative to promote 'responsible gun ownership', then so what?

we can consider the dubious motives behind homo-phobia (aka 'man shall not lie with man') or the opposition to abortion (aka the murder of unborn innocents) but the packing heat to say weekly prayers seems nothing, when compared to the myriad number of 'holy wars' once fought and still being fought, or that guns can be carried in some places selling booze!

storm in a tea cup keeps coming to mind, in a story which is of little to no consequence. i would be surprised if this were the first occurence of this to be honest.

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justdust

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