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Old 06-08-2009, 10:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Supreme Court dismisses a challenge to the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, meaning gays and lesbians still cannot serve openly in the military. Despite stating his opposition to the policy during last year's campaign, President Barack Obama did not support the legal challenge.
 
Old 06-08-2009, 10:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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So, why is it any less honorable for somebody of a different sexual preference to serve our country in the military? Maybe you can explain this to me because it defies all logic to me.
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Supposedly it's because of morale. I think it has more to do with machismo and insecurities. Like I can't be on point if the gay guy is staring at my ass.
 
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Supposedly it's because of morale. I think it has more to do with machismo and insecurities.
Exactly. I hope one day everyone can serve open and with pride in the service.
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They said the exact same thing when President Harry S. Truman desegregated the military allowing those "oh so scary black people" to serve and (oh gasp...) even share the same dining facilities as "whitey". Guess what? It did`nt hurt morale and in fact benefited the US military greatly.

Since this stupid "don`t ask don`t tell" cop out went into law (because Bill Clinton, though I admire the man, did`nt have the balls to tell the knuckle dragging, neanderthal homophobic right wing Republican Fascists to go to hell) the United States Military has lost over 13,000 highly qualified personnel that we, the taxpayers paid to train. At a time when we are fighting one legitimate war against terrorism, mopping up the greatest foreign policy mess in U.S. History in Iraq and looking at another possible Korean war, can we afford to loose good people who want to serve their country just because they are wired differently??

I was in the military and I found it to be filled with a bunch of young, dumb, socially inexperienced kids pumped up on Testosterone and pseudo machismo who are so damn insecure of their own sexuality that they really think that they are so hot that any gay man is going to naturally rape them. It is bullshit and ego centric. The most homophobic people out there tend to be closet homosexuals themselves who are too cowardly to admit who they are and lead fullfilling lives. Instead, they lead weird, insecure and secretive lives overcompensating and dealing with self loathing and then project that outwardly on others.

This same bullshit argument goes on still today with regard to women in combat. This nation, great though it is, is so damn sexually retarded, repressed and hung up. All of our allies including even Israel lets openly gay people serve in their military and they do a damn fine job. In every single country who is a member of NATO, only America and Turkey have this arcaic attitude and in none of these other nations are openly gay service members "destroying the morale of the military". This attitude of ours is way too Taliban-esque for comfort!

The chest pounding macho freaks need to get a grip and get over themselves and understand that sexual preference makes NO DAMN DIFFERENCE in how a professional, well disciplined and trained soldier performs their duties. If those people are too damn insecure about it, they need to get the hell out of OUR (THE AMERICAN PEOPLE) military!!! This is one hetero who is sick and tired of this ridiculous homophobia that is infesting our military and wasting millions of our tax payer dollars! These kinds of people in the military are exactly why I did my 4 years and got the hell out!


As for President Obama`s lack of reaction....unlike the last son of a bitch who uses the Constitution to wipe his ass with, this President get`s the concept of checks and balances and separation of powers. He understands it is not the place of the Executive Branch to countermand the Judicial Branch every time they disagree with his personal views. He is currently reviewing the policies and working within the military chain of command to rectify this abhorrent policy through Constitutionally correct channels.



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A rant yes, but a good one.
It won't end though. In organizations that pride themselves on being macho,ie military, police, sports, etc there is also the pride in being against gays. Even if they pass laws allowing openly gay service men and women, homosexuals would be openly subjected to hazing, beatings, or worst. And just like rape it will go unreported or ignored.
 
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Hazing, beating.. hell son thats just earnin your lumps !!! Joking of course... I know many gays in the military serving proudly. I don't think it will totally be rectified until it it fully accepted by socity and gays recieve the same benifits as a married couple. Until then it's a no go.
 
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but the military is a body of MEN, which requires marching NOT mincing.

can you imagine being in the theatre of war, where an effeminate nancy boy was checking your buttocks out, instead of providing covering fire!?

plus they're usually too busy worrying about emotions and colour co-ordination to function adequately! that's why there are no women in the fighting forces!

oh wait....
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I know many gays in the military serving proudly. I don't think it will totally be rectified until it it fully accepted by socity and gays recieve the same benifits as a married couple. Until then it's a no go.
forgive me for making an observation regarding a POV of you personally, but you speak an interesting inconsistency here.

previously you suggested that you might enjoy taking a poop down my neck (once having removed my head of course,) in reaction to my suggestion that armed and police forces today, are being deployed in inappropriate ways to benefit a minority and privately held interest.

and yet here, you appreciate that the same authority (or branch thereof) which selectively inhibits inclusion of all human persuations, needs to have its attitude 'rectified'.

i just find it interesting that you have no doubts in the veracity of how a collective of humans can be used, but you do question the selection process involved in populating this collective.
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Hazing, beating.. hell son thats just earnin your lumps !!! Joking of course... I know many gays in the military serving proudly. I don't think it will totally be rectified until it it fully accepted by socity and gays recieve the same benifits as a married couple. Until then it's a no go.
I hear you about the lumps lol.

Unfortunately I don't think it will ever be rectified. As long as there's the bible belt, religion, and unlobotimized republicans, the stigma of being gay will always be there. The moral majority by act or threat will make sure of that.

I do hope for a middle ground one day, but as a species we seem to be a bigoted bunch of knuckleheads. Maybe I'm too much of a cynic...
 
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but the military is a body of MEN, which requires marching NOT mincing.

can you imagine being in the theatre of war, where an effeminate nancy boy was checking your buttocks out, instead of providing covering fire!?

plus they're usually too busy worrying about emotions and colour co-ordination to function adequately! that's why there are no women in the fighting forces!

oh wait....
So I guess what you're saying, when translated from the Queen's tongue to english is that you're a bigot.
 
 

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