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Old 09-23-2009, 12:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Libya has long been known as a nation that harbors terrorists. Not that that has a lot to do with the statement that was made today but it certainly harms the credibility of anything the leader of this nation has to say. But today the leader of Libya, Muammar Gaddafi, claimed the veto power of the 5 nations on the security council violates the very principles of the UN charter. Link Gaddafi blasts big powers in first ever U.N. speech | Reuters.

Personally I believe that the veto power has been greatly abused and has made the UN virtually useless as a world "peace keeper" and no more than a podium for nations of the world to stand on and spout their mouths off of.
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Personally I believe that the veto power has been greatly abused and has made the UN virtually useless as a world "peace keeper" and no more than a podium for nations of the world to stand on and spout their mouths off of.
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The veto power should be renamed 'U.N. self-castration resolution'

It's ingenious actually. It lets the 'moral' nations of the world complain about rights violations without actually being required to do anything about said violations. Europe I'm looking at you first.

The U.N. is a forum for whining and finger shaking, nothing more. Buncha useless eunuchs.
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Gaddafi has, at least on the surface, backed out of Crazytown. He's still a card carrying resident, but he's given up trying to get nukes, and at least seems like he wants to play ball. Maybe he's softening with his old age, but he's not the same 'Strongman Gaddafi' of old.

He's also right, giving a small group of nations permanent power over the other countries is against the spirit of the UN Charter. It can certainly be argued that some countries SHOULD have that kind of power, and not all countries should truly be equal (After all, do you think Myanmar deserves the same level of influence as Norway? Which country do you think will make better decisions?) That's a moot point of course, the UN says it stands for something, and if it has decided that maybe it doesn't want to stand for that, it needs to change it's charter, instead of changing the ground rules and keeping up the same old lip service.

But, of course. It's really all a moot point. This forum probably has more effect on world affairs than the UN does at this point.
 
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This is how I see the world:

There are the skiers (countries with power and think they run the world i.e. U.S.A, Europe nations) and the snowboarders (countries with power or without, that just want to be left alone i.e. Canada and such) and let's not forget the ski patrol (which of course is the UN) who have some power,but generally tend to turn a blind eye, or they can't really catch people in the act. And the last group, the beginning snowboarders/skiers (the nations who are struggling to get on their own two feet, or don't have a say in any matter) who just need some help to get started.
You can see all these groups raging on eachother for one reason or another.

It's hard to get people to get along peacefully, or work together when they have their own interests to worry about. In the end people tend to look out for themselves.
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In the end people tend to look out for themselves.
Which is why there is truly no such thing as a country that 'just wants to be left alone'. It's a transitory illusion made possible by said countrys' interests and needs already met. Using your own metaphor, what would your happy-shiny bug-nobody snowboarders do if people were clogging up the trail? (threatening their interests) Maybe this? Left alone my ass.

Again, the UN is a forum where countries who aren't doing their own dirty work (or don't, at the time, need to do dirty work) can wave holier-than-thou fingers at other countries.

Excerpt from one of my favorite books, read it and tell me it isn't true:

I ask you, What is the difference between the Chosen Nations, whom you hate, and all the Others for whom you have so much love?
2 You see that the tree you hate is big, and so you think that every small tree is beautiful and good.
3 But this is a lie which you have made up for yourselves, because you are not very smart and cannot think of any other way to look at it.
4 The truth is that all trees are of the same tree,
5 Which is the tree of Mankind,
6 And one is not different from the other in its basic nature.
7 You would revile the conquistadors because they committed genocide in the name of God against the Mayas and Aztecs,
8 But I ask you, Did not the Mayas and the Aztecs also commit genocide in the name of God against those who opposed them, and even against their own people?
9 You would deplore the Brits who committed genocide against the Zulus of South Africa, not even in the name of God, but in the name of the King, for the purpose of expanding their evil empire,
10 But again I ask you, Did not the Zulus commit genocide against their neighbors, also in the name of their king, for the purpose of expanding their empire?
11 And so what is the difference between the conquistadors and the Mayas, or between the Brits and the Zulus?
12 The only difference is that the Spic tree was taller than the Maya tree, and the Brit tree was taller than the Zulu tree,
13 Just as the American tree is taller than the tree of Southeast Asia or the tree of the Native Americans.
14 And if you cut down the biggest tree, you will simply make room for the smaller trees to grow taller,
15 By committing genocide against their neighbors and their own peoples,
16 Which is what they all want to do anyway,
17 All of them,
18 Including even the very tiniest trees on the planet,
19 Even unto the headhunters of the rain forest,
20 Who have no nuclear weapons,
21 Or B-52s,
22 Or Napalm,
23 But still want more heads anyway,
24 Because they, too, are of the tree of man.

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1)Not ALL snowboarders clog up the trails...some actually ride.
2)I got a good kick out of that video. (so thanks for that) But don't make everyone to be like that, it's unfair to those who are actually good people.
3)If the countries interest and needs have been met, why is being left alone a "transitory illusion"? Perhaps they're needs and interests change after a while...
4)Well MY particular happy- shiny bug-nobody snowboarders would probably be blasting music or sleeping if they're not "trail clogging". Everyone (or every country) looks out for their own interests, but that doesn't mean they want to or are going to hurt others in the process to do so.
5) Yeah, we all agree the UN has become what you said it has.
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1)Not ALL snowboarders clog up the trails...some actually ride.
2)I got a good kick out of that video. (so thanks for that) But don't make everyone to be like that, it's unfair to those who are actually good people.
3)If the countries interest and needs have been met, why is being left alone a "transitory illusion"? Perhaps they're needs and interests change after a while...
4)Well MY particular happy- shiny bug-nobody snowboarders would probably be blasting music or sleeping if they're not "trail clogging". Everyone (or every country) looks out for their own interests, but that doesn't mean they want to or are going to hurt others in the process to do so.
5) Yeah, we all agree the UN has become what you said it has.
1 & 2) That belongs in snowboard discussion. My point is that you're grouping entire nations in the same manner you classify groups of people on a hill, and it's a poor method. I agree, just like not all snowboarders are assholes, not all snowboarders are non-assholes. My video link was to demonstrate that individual countries in your group of super-benevolent countries can still be assholes. If people on a single hill within a group are that different, do you not think entire nations can also be an exception to that woefully inadequate classification scheme?
3) Yep, they might, and they'll have to look out for new interests. Interests changing over time is not what I was getting at, you missed the boat. It's that interests can become threatened over time and even the most benevolent country will act to look after them. Being left alone is not a transitory illusion, wanting 'to be left alone' is a transitory illusion. A better word I should have used, however, is that 'I want to be left alone' is a luxury enjoyed by those countries who do not have to act, at that time, to protect their interests. I can provide links of Canada's own rather inhuman treatment of their own Native Americans and immigrants in the past. They acted that way because their interests, land, were being threatened by the presence of indigenous people. Just like the U.S. did during the western expansion.
4) If circumstances dictate it, circumstances like a very important interest being threatened, any country is capable of extreme acts of violence, theft, brutality, human rights violations, and imperialism. Deny snowboarders access to their hill all of a sudden, and a few that are normally 'leave me alone' folks will turn to hill poaching and vandalism. Not that they were actively violent during WWII, but facilitation is how precious ever-neutral Switzerland avoided being steamrolled by the Nazis, if you like an example.
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MunkySpunk you're right, I did miss part of the point. Thanks for clarifying the rest of it up, it makes sense.... but I do wonder if there's another way to look at it or if what you said is the stone cold truth.
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