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Old 09-30-2009, 02:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Communism by definition is:

Main Entry: com·mu·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
Function: noun
Etymology: French communisme, from commun common
Date: 1840
1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively

Communism gives the government the ultimate control over its body of people. The government in a communist state believe that it can take better care of its people then the people can take care of themselves. FALSE.

According to the Communist Manifesto Communism has ten essential planks:


Abolition of Private Property.
Heavy Progressive Income Tax.
Abolition of Rights of Inheritance.
Confiscation of Property Rights.
Central Bank.
Government Ownership of Communication and Transportation.
Government Ownership of Factories and Agriculture.
Government Control of Labor.
Corporate Farms and Regional Planning.
Government Control of Education.



Communist economics requires people to work for the desire to produce for use rather than profit. Under this system a person has no motive to work harder and therefore increase economic output by the metaphorical, but some times far too literal, gun pointed at their head. Nothing good as ever come out of communism. If anything, only bad has come out of it. Most communist states have a radical leader hell bent on money and power, and doesn't care how much suffering he puts his people in (i.e. stalin). But if the government owns literally everything, who is there to stop them from giving back to the people. NO ONE. Communism is a idea that works in theory, but never in real life. There will always be greed and power hungry fucker's on the top.

Besides the point, in a communist state, you own nothing, everything you have the government has. With no strive to become better, why the fuck even try? I can't remember the book I read it in, (trying to find to back up data), when they took the wall down that separated east and west germany, it was like going back into time, and this goes the same of Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. Because because the government literally sucked the wealth out of the land and its people, there was no room for improvement. They were still driving cars from the 40s, there fashion was from even earlier.

Communism takes every single person and puts them in the same class, everyone is equal, every has the same amount of money, same government healthcare, same everything. Again, if everyone is the same, going to be the same, and cannot make any financial gain, wtf is the point of even existing? The communist Utopia is a dream, A FREAKING DREAM. It cannot, and will not succeed. Anyone who believes in communism is a drone. A DRONE. If anything, some one who follows communism should move into jail. It is about as close as any human can get to the communism Utopia.

The first step in communism is the governments full control of society, to the point where it mandates what we can and cannot do in our everyday lives. If you think about it, name one thing the government has no control or say in. Really try it. Now they are trying to sink their claws even deeper into our society. Government ran healthcare? It is just another step to take. With our new administration already boarder line socialist, how much longer till we are boarder line communist? With the way our country is going, not to far.

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I think its amazingly hilarious how paranoid Republicans are about communism, and that they actually believe America could turn into a communist state. I swear sometimes it's more entertaining than a good comedy film on a saturday night.

You are aware that even if they do give national health care you still have the option to you know, go pay for it yourself right? It's amazing how people think that giving people who cannot afford healthcare state funded healthcare that it's gonna head towards communism.

Wait, I live in England, we have free healthcare, I'd better go and tell the guy a few streets down in his £2million house that he's in fact in the same class as him and that his wealth has to be shared

Aside from the fact that someone like Hitler had to hoodwink through laws to basically enslave the country in a dictatorship to be able to change the country like that, in fact if anyone is more guilty of passing restrictive laws it's our favourite cowboy who rode out of the whitehouse into the sunset a few months back.

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I think its amazingly hilarious how paranoid Republicans are about communism, and that they actually believe America could turn into a communist state. I swear sometimes it's more entertaining than a good comedy film on a saturday night.

You are aware that even if they do give national health care you still have the option to you know, go pay for it yourself right? It's amazing how people think that giving people who cannot afford healthcare state funded healthcare that it's gonna head towards communism.

1) Wait, I live in England, we have free healthcare, I'd better go and tell the guy a few streets down in his £2million house that he's in fact in the same class as him and that his wealth has to be shared

Aside from the fact that someone like Hitler had to hoodwink through laws to basically enslave the country in a dictatorship to be able to change the country like that, i2n fact if anyone is more guilty of passing restrictive laws it's our favourite cowboy who rode out of the whitehouse into the sunset a few months back.
1.) National healthcare in my eyes is a step towards communism. Never said it was communism.

2) Lets not even get started on restrictive laws in England. How easy is it to get a gun over there

And anyways, where do you snowboard on that god forsaken island.
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1.) National healthcare in my eyes is a step towards communism. Never said it was communism.

2) Lets not even get started on restrictive laws in England. How easy is it to get a gun over there

And anyways, where do you snowboard on that god forsaken island.
I live in Canada for the snow season! Another communist state

Well um, it's not easy to get a gun here at all, but saying that no-one wants one. Sure criminals will get a gun if they want to but in reality it's extremely rare for anyone outside of criminal gangs to be shot, it happens very very little. Here it's totally unnecessary for people to need to carry one.

The UK has both some of the lowest gun ownership rates and gun death rates, however the figures are skewed by the fact that Northern Ireland was in more or less a state of war for years and still to a certain extent is.

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At my high school communism is the schools morale development from democracy.
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Well, we've seen where deregulated capitalism gets us so that pretty clearly doesn't work either. Self correcting slightly away from one extreme end of this supposed capitalist/communist spectrum does not automatically send a country into an inescapable downward spiral to the other, and nobody who believes that national healthcare is fundamentally the right thing to do for the people is going to be scared away by the communist boogeyman.

Funny that nobody was denouncing countries like those in the UK as soon-to-be-communists when we were trying to convince them to go to war with us.
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Who said communism works? It doesn't work. Kind of like our current healthcare system doesn't work either.

Just like the few folks benefiting from communism didn't want to let it die, the few folks who are benefiting from the current healthcare system don't want to let it die either. Wow, the Republicans and Communists have something in common. See how easy it is to distort the facts?

Was there something you actually wanted to debate?

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1.) National healthcare in my eyes is a step towards communism.
It's a 'public option' you know what 'option' means, right? Oh wait, you're Conservative base, you probably don't know what it means because it has two syllables.
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2) Lets not even get started on restrictive laws in England. How easy is it to get a gun over there
You say that like it's a bad thing,... BTW, it's spelled "let's" and you forgot to end that sentence with a question mark, Mr. Conservative base.
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And anyways, where do you snowboard on that god forsaken island.
That one too - you forgot a question mark.

Being more literate than a tea-bagger goes a long way towards making your argument sound intelligent, Mr. Conservative base.
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So how is a public insurance plan communism? You're giving up your property how? BTW I think you're a fucking tard for being a tool of the insurance companies. Talk about falling for it hook line and sinker. lol.
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Communism gives the government the ultimate control over its body of people. The government in a communist state believe that it can take better care of its people then the people can take care of themselves. FALSE.
What are you getting out of all of this? I mean, do you get some sort of enjoyment out of posting all these threads and then waiting for all the replies, calling you a jackass, etc.?

Just kind of curious is all.... I'm not even going to chime in on the content as Snowolf, in normal fashion, has basically put a wrap on this thread.
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