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Old 10-01-2009, 11:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Let me preface this by saying that I am not a birther. I believe that Obama was most likely born in Hawaii. My question pertains to the status of his records and why there is so much secrecy in his "transparent" government.

This is a list of the records I am talking about:

Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released

Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released

Soetoro adoption records — Not released

Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Not Released

Punahou School records — Not released

Selective Service Registration — Released - Proven Counterfeit

Occidental College records — Not released

Passport (Pakistan) — Not released

Columbia College records — Not released

Columbia thesis — Not released

Harvard College records — Not released

Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, Not Signed)

Baptism certificate — None

Medical records — Not released

Illinois State Senate records — None (Locked up to prohibit public view)

Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost (All other Illinois state senators’ records are intact)

Law practice client list — Not released

University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

Obama has spent almost a million dollars keeping these records sealed. Why would he do this? No other president has done this. The closest we have seen to this is Bill Clinton keeping his medical records sealed. I can not think of any reason why a person would spend that kind of money to keep their elementary school records from being viewed.


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Let me preface this by saying I can't believe I'm even giving this the dignity of a response.

OMFG!!! Obama doesn't have a baptism certificate?!!!??!!? NO FUCKING WAY!! This is an outrage!!!

Thoughts: Pick real news to debate, or real things to get bent out of shape over.

Opinions: For a non-birther, you've got a pretty serious case of 'everything elser'.
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wow....nice response. I did not focus on the birth certificate at all. In fact, my post was mostly directed at every other document in his life since his birth. I don't give a shit if he was born in Hawaii or not, I am just asking the question why he has spent so much money to keep everything secret. I guess if you really really want him to be perfect and you close your eyes and wish for it it will happen. No one else in history would have gotten away with this, but Obama gets a pass. Don't be such an overreacting shit about things.

At the very least it shows extremely poor judgment on his part for spending a million dollars to hide absolutely nothing. He has the power to release every one of those records today and make it all go away. Instead, he will fight all the way to the supreme court to make sure it doesn't happen. WTF?!?!?! Who the hell would do that?

Since you seem to have singled out the birth certificate issue, give me one legitimate reason why he would not release his real birth certificate. He could have that released within the hour and end all of that debate. It is on file in Hawaii. Two people have said that they have seen it. Why would anyone spend that kind of money to keep that hidden? I have had to show my birth certificate before and I didn't have a hissy fit and call in a team of lawyers.

Let's just assume that everything is fine with the birth certificate, but he is just being a jackass about the whole thing. Why would he seal his application to Occidental College and then hire lawyers to make sure it isn't released? I can see him not wanting to release his Harvard records because he was a poor student, but why an application to a junior college?

Doesn't it seem odd that someone would go to such extraordinary lengths to hide everything about their past? I have no idea why he would do this. What concerns me more is people like you who want to play the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil game and hope that everything works out for the best. Just feigning outrage at the mere mention that there could be something wrong with Obama does not give you credibility. Real answers do that.
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how has he spent money to keep things secret? also, most likely your sources of all this stuff are not legitimate. people are just plain making shit up now.

and posting a right-wing blog isn't a legitimate source.
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Let me preface this by saying thatI am not a birther. I believe that Obama was most likely born in Hawaii.
just found that funny. i believe it is possible that he may have been born in hawaii....OR WAS HE?!?!?!?!
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how has he spent money to keep things secret? also, most likely your sources of all this stuff are not legitimate. people are just plain making shit up now.

and posting a right-wing blog isn't a legitimate source.
He has a legal defense team that has been to court many times to stop the release of his original birth certificate and his school records. His personal legal bill was over $750k a few months ago.
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just found that funny. i believe it is possible that he may have been born in hawaii....OR WAS HE?!?!?!?!
I believe he was born in Hawaii because of the birth announcement that was in the local paper. The only reason that there is any question about this is because Obama has only been willing to release a certificate printed in 2008 that says that he has a birth certificate. He has fought to not have his original birth certificate released and that has fueled all of the hysteria. It seems like the logical thing to do would have been for him to just release the damn original when he was asked for it. Hell, they had senate hearings to determine if McCain was even eligible to run for president. You would think that Obama could put up with the inconvenience of producing one original document.

I just can't believe all of the crying and pissing and moaning about this. What the hell does everyone get so defensive about? All I am asking is for someone to give me their theory as to why he would spend so much time, energy and money suppressing this information? I am just glad the whole racism thing is getting played out and no one takes it seriously anymore. No one gives a shit that he is black, but that is always the first thing that comes up when anyone dares disagree with him. Please give that shit up....no one cares.


Every time someone has one of their hissy fits like Snowolf just had, this is what I see:
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This has never been settled. Obama's legal team has argued in every case that the plaintiff does not have grounds to sue because they couldn't prove that they were harmed by Obama. Because of this, every case was dismissed before going to trial. Hopefully this will change soon. A judge has agreed to hear a case on this and will most likely grant discovery to the plaintiff allowing them to subpoena Obama's records and end this fiasco. It is just sad that all of this had to happen to obtain something that he should have just released a year ago. I hope that it is revealed that he was born as a girl or something. I would hate to think that he put the country through this for no reason.
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Yeah....I saw that pic before. Someone had that at the Washington march. There were over 1.5 million people there and there were like 4 racist signs and James Carville was all over MSNBC bitching about racism. It is just like the guy in Arizona that showed up with an AR-15 slung on his back and the media tried to portray it as a group of racist extremists by close cropping the photo so that you could not tell it was a black man. Sure, there are a few racist people in America. You can definitely point to some people in Obama's circle that hate white people, but I don't think it is fair to paint with such a wide brush. (should I link some of Rev. Wright's sermons?)

If McCain had won and had not gone through the Senate hearings he did, we would have been going through this same scenario. I doubt it would have gone on like this because he would have had full disclosure up front.

If Arnold Schwarzenegger was elected president would we ask these questions? What if he claimed that he was born in California, but had actually moved to Austria right after his birth. Would that be good enough? I am just saying that this has nothing to do with him being black.
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wow....nice response.
The original post showed lack of any thought, why should my response do anything else?
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I did not focus on the birth certificate at all.
I never said you did.
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Don't be such an overreacting shit about things.
Am I? I'm just telling you to find real news.
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Instead, he will fight all the way to the supreme court to make sure it doesn't happen. WTF?!?!?! Who the hell would do that?
Calm down. Don't be such an overreacting shit about things.
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Since you seem to have singled out the birth certificate issue, give me one legitimate reason why he would not release his real birth certificate.
Never in my post did I mention the birth certificate. Actually, I stated you were a non-birther, right?
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Let's just assume that everything is fine with the birth certificate, but he is just being a jackass about the whole thing.
Wow, you're pretty hung up on his birth certificate for a non-birther. Why do you keep mentioning it?
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Doesn't it seem odd that someone would go to such extraordinary lengths to hide everything about their past?
Actually, it seems odd you'd find this a credible source.
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What concerns me more is people like you who want to play the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil game and hope that everything works out for the best.
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Real answers do that.
And you tend to get real answers when you ask real questions.
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ROFL....I actually grew up in South Carolina. There is definitely racism there. It was real bad when I was a kid, much less so now. The thing is that most of those people that are so racist aren't the ones that are showing up for marches or making sound arguments about fiscal responsibility. They just want to bitch about having a black president.

I travel all over the United States for my job. I am in a different part of the country every other week. My business is industrial manufacturing and the people I meet are conservatives 95%+ of the time. These are not inbred hicks, but regular business professionals in all areas of the country. The only time I run into people that are liberal (consistently) is in Oregon, New York and Chicago (city only - outside the city it is pretty conservative). I was surprised to find that most of the people I meet with in Boston tend to be conservative. Granted I work in an industrial setting. If I were working in education, public housing or porn shops I would probably get a different mix. My point is that these people are just normal middle income people with healthy non-racist outlooks on life. They also tend to be of the more intelligent sort that can make political arguments. Unfortunately, anyone who disagrees with the president is generally not met with answers or debate, but rather with insults and taunts of racism.

Saul Alinsky (Obama Mentor)had some "Rules for Radicals". Here are my favorites:

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

This is why calling protesters racists is so effective. It is an attempt to classify them as something that they are not in order to try and get them to lose support.
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