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Senate Democrats advance climate bill without GOP - washingtonpost.com

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They need to hurry up and get this passed while there are still a few people out there that believe in man made climate change. Luckily this didn't happen thirty years ago when scientists were proposing the idea increasing the greenhouse effect to stave off the impending ice age.
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I know... The 95%+ of scientists (the few) who believe in it are dwindling in number at an alarming rate.

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OOoooo.. Youtube as a reliable source. And a youtube coverage of a lawsuit by John Coleman, a guy with a journalism degree, no less. Because we all know none of those have ever been filed without good cause. And we all know journalists are experts in meteorology and ALWAYS give you the straight story.

The moment I hit 'reply' I began wondering if it would be youtube or a nutjob's blog you'd whip out as support. Seems to be a little of both this time.

Here, these are what those with some sort of scientific background call a 'source'...

A whopping 68 papers published since 2000 that challenge the theory:
http://www.friendsofscience.org/asse...Feb%206-07.pdf

And here's a World Meterological Organization document (in partnership with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the United Nations Environment Programme) using 4,617 papers supporting the climate change theory:
IPCC WG1 AR4 Report

Notice none of them are youtube? or a psycho ranter's blog?

Grownups call those 'Peer reviewed publications.'

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So now youtube is somehow biased? A site that allows you to post videos is itself somehow biased. John Coleman (founder of The Weather Channel) is somehow less important because this TV clip was posted on youtube?

Do you have any studies supporting global warming that have been produced by organizations that did not have anything to gain politically or financially? It is interesting that all of the proposals that have resulted from the global warming scare result in huge shifts in either money or power. I would have thought that we would have an immediate call for the construction of nuclear power plants in the U.S., but that is not the case. Instead, we have schemes which involve things like "carbon credits" and treaties that require the United States to pay lesser developed countries for our destruction of the environment.

A non-youtube link for you:
TESTIMONY OF DR. SYUN-ICHI AKASOFU
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Well wait a minute...If all this data is false...if there are 30k scientists believe otherwise...

Why wouldnt Al gore debate with them and produce his credible side...

Their main platform is CO2. Me personally I do alot with CO2 emissions thru the HVAC industry and not being a scientist, nor journalist, nor even a youtube fan I can say as far as CO2 goes. It aint hurtin the earth like other things can.

I believe man has initiated global climate change. and there is only one thing I can narrow it down to.....man itself!
Methane is much worse than CO2. Al isn't going vegan to help stop the cow farts from destroying the planet.
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No. Youtube isn't biased. It's a storage area for anybody(smart or clueless) to post anything. You really have to follow the chain of custody when trying to fact check(if you're into that). My Dad and most relatives are neo-cons. They would forward their bs to all of us. I would reply to all with snopes or factcheck links. It's funny, those kind of emails are only sent by conservatives. My liberal friends and myself never do that. It's like they're all doom and gloom junkies. If somethings not worrying the crap out of them, they feel naked. I don't get it
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So now youtube is somehow biased?
Who said they were biased? Is this where you argue against points I don't make because you missed the boat again?

Youtube is totally unedited, unverified, and open access. Anyone, I mean anyone can put whatever they want on it. It doesn't make it qualified at all.
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John Coleman (founder of The Weather Channel) is somehow less important because this TV clip was posted on youtube?
Do you get an honorary degree when you upload to youtube? Does it somehow make you smarter to hit the 'upload' button?

John Coleman is as important as he was before posting this, just as irrelevant to meteorological research and just as untrained in science. And he's got as much authority and actual research training in meteorology as a garbage man.

He's got a degree in journalism. He's a weather newscaster. This means he's good at getting in front of the camera and bullshitting for 5 minutes twice an evening. That and a buck will get him a cup of coffee during a NASA tour. He's not a meteorologist. He's got no formal scientific training or qualifications.
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Do you have any studies supporting global warming that have been produced by organizations that did not have anything to gain politically or financially?
Oh how little you know about the peer review process, tenure, and granting agencies. Probably about as much as John Coleman.
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It is interesting that all of the proposals that have resulted from the global warming scare result in huge shifts in either money or power.
Yes, because NOAA is secretly trying to take over the world. It's all a smoke screen to keep us from asking Obama about his birth certificate! You finally broke the case!
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I would have thought that we would have an immediate call for the construction of nuclear power plants in the U.S., but that is not the case.
So that's your answer to climate change? Throw up some nuclear power plants, and.... done.

Actually it is the case. It's one proposal of a multi-pronged approach.
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Instead, we have schemes which involve things like "carbon credits"
You expect the corporations to curb their own emissions?

It's another part of a multi-pronged approach. Quite being so narrow minded. It's going to take a lot more than throwing up some nuclear plants, including FORCING the corps to reduce emissions.
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A non-youtube link for you:
TESTIMONY OF DR. SYUN-ICHI AKASOFU
Congratulations, you finally did it!! You get a gold star.

1 scientist against climate change theory before congress. Did you notice the parade of scientists that disagreed with him also before congress. Anything else?

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Well wait a minute...If all this data is false...if there are 30k scientists believe otherwise...

Why wouldnt Al gore debate with them and produce his credible side...
He does. It's called congressional hearings.
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Their main platform is CO2. Me personally I do alot with CO2 emissions thru the HVAC industry and not being a scientist, nor journalist, nor even a youtube fan I can say as far as CO2 goes. It aint hurtin the earth like other things can.
Which is heavier, one heavy cinder block or a truckload of small cinder blocks?

It's not as bad as other stuff. But other stuff isn't being pumped into the air in such massive quantities like CO2. It's a matter of volume and continued volume every day.

If it wasn't CO2, why would they be targeting as something as 'innocuous' as CO2? You'd think they'd be lighting methane clouds on fire to scare the shit out of people. That logic of 'falsely' singling out CO2 doesn't make sense.

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