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Old 12-25-2009, 07:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Scientists Explain Why People Vote For Republicans

Every election season, commentators trot out the old statistics about how more education makes people more likely to support Democrats, more studies are published on how liberal Daily Show viewers are so well-informed, and various smart people try to explain why anyone would ever vote for a Republican, against their "self-interest." This month has seen three alarming and remarkable scientific investigations into Americans' inexplicable habit of voting for George Bush and John McCain. Which means: trend! Hooray! Let's take a look at what America's top scienticians say about fucking idiot flyover losers and their stupid voting:

Conservatives Are Scared A Lot

Rice University Political Scientist John Alford published some research in the creatively named journal Science about a possible biological basis to liberalism and conservatism. Basically, "46 mostly white Midwesterners who self-identified as having strong political beliefs" were shown "threatening images" ("a large spider on someone's face, a bloodied person and maggot-filled wound"). The conservatives were more scared, of all of the images. Or, as Newsweek puts it, "illegal immigrants may = spiders = gay marriages = maggot-filled wounds = abortion rights = bloodied faces. " Liberals were not sensitive to the scary images. Which means they're biologically inferior, because they'd die if a gay spider tried to abort their faces to death. Notable problems with this study: small sample, also wtf this doesn't explain anything.

Conservatives Refuse to Believe "Facts"

The most upsetting and alarming research? Probably Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler's backfire effect study. In that, the political scientists took two groups of volunteers and gave them the Bush administration's prewar claims that Iraq was a threat and had weapons of mass destruction.

One group was given a refutation — the comprehensive 2004 Duelfer report that concluded that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction before the United States invaded in 2003. Thirty-four percent of conservatives told only about the Bush administration's claims thought Iraq had hidden or destroyed its weapons before the U.S. invasion, but 64 percent of conservatives who heard both claim and refutation thought that Iraq really did have the weapons. The refutation, in other words, made the misinformation worse.

This "backfire" effect only worked on conservatives. Even when they varied the source of the refutations, it made no difference—corrections from the New York Times and Fox News both caused conservatives to believe the lies even harder. In other words, objective truth is dead, observable reality is a fairy tale, etc.

Conservatives Have An Entirely Different Moral Code

This should bring you down, a little bit. Jonathan Haidt, a psychologist, wrote a lengthy anthropological investigation into why people vote for Republicans. It's not the Thomas Frank "they are distracted by bullshit" explanation, though it is related: they have different cultural standards of ethics and morality! Liberals and college students define morality as "how we treat each other," conservatives attach more significance to "supporting essential institutions, and living in a sanctified and noble way." Liberals recognize fairness and care as important moral virtues, conservatives add to that loyalty, respect for authority, and duty. The educated moral relativism worldview is fundamentally incompatible with the way like 50% of America thinks, and stereotypes about out-of-touch elitist coastal democrats are basically correct. Sigh.

So What Have We Learned?

Conservatives respond instinctually, not rationally, to scary images, "facts," and institutions. Whether this is innate and biological or cultural seems still up in the air. Democrats can't with with logical arguments or even appeals to the innate rightness of concepts like "diversity" and "tolerance," because those aren't considered essentially good and important by the voters they're trying to appeal to. This does suggest that an appeal to old New Deal institutional concepts like the Welfare State might actually be effective, if they're wrapped in the flag and a sense of duty. Also scientists still consider the majority of Americans to be like a fascinating exotic backwards tribe and the fucking country is doomed.


Send an email to Alex Pareene, the author of this post, at alexp@gawker.com.


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I got a kick out of this. Who knows, it might be true.
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Old 12-26-2009, 08:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Man those are some really stupid studies but pretty funny in anycase. And i dont agree with your generalization on conversatives as a whole snowolf, However if your talking about the ultra conversatives then i agree with you. Ultra conversatives make up a small part of the conversative base and they are the ones who make the rest of the group look bad -.-
I'm not a conversative but some of my good friends are and they seem sane enough to me Aite thats my .02 and enough about politics it always gives me a headache.
 
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Snowolf you say what every other liberal left winged commie would say about a conservative. Conservatives are big fans of small government, not no government. Conservatives believe in the fact that every person isn't perfect, but it isn't the governments job to take care of poor or those in need. Its the peoples job to take care of its own people. The government isn't a charity! I don't choose to where my money goes! And don't give me the crap about the people is the government, because it certainly isn't anymore. In fact, the only good thing politicians are good at anymore is getting reelected.

Our government is in a huge "Nanny" State currently. Liberal think they must impose there thoughts on anything they can get there grubby hands onto.
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^ exactly, conservatives think that people are inherently flawed, and therefore need religion and laws to force people to do what is "right". talk about nanny-state. you guys are bunch of hypocrites.
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^ exactly, conservatives think that people are inherently flawed, and therefore need religion and laws to force people to do what is "right". talk about nanny-state. you guys are bunch of hypocrites.
ok buddy come on, lets here of these laws. Was it not the liberals who wanted government controlled education to teach children what they "should" be being taught? (Dept. of Education) Talk about telling people what is "Right".
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It is you guys who want to tell people what they can and can`t do in their own bedrooms. It is you guys who want to cram your personal versions of "morality" based on mythical cloud beings, down everyone`s throats and pass Constitutional Amendments putting the power of law behind it.

You refuse to get the idea that social programs enacted by liberals are not mandates, rather providing needed services. When was the last time you were "forced" to receive a welfare check?

You, the Republican party and conservatives in general, are selfish and elitist. You look down your arrogant noses at people you deem as "under class" and excuse the disparages of class as laziness and stupidity without recognizing that environment often keeps people in the lower class and that some of these people work far harder than you or your rich Republican palls ever could. The working poor in America make up a huge portion of our society and as big Republican supported multinational corporations move our jobs overseas to capitalize on basically slave labor, more Americans are joining this underclass.

You only care about the wealthy and as long as you have yours, fuck everybody else. In a lame assed attempt to "justify" your morally bankrupt attitudes, you come up with bullshit objections to social programs aimed at strengthening the American society so that it keeps the entire nation stronger and more healthy.

Bottom line, you people don`t even give two shits about America; it is all about you and your things. If you have to fuck over the country to get your profit, you don`t think twice about. Take Prescott Bush; the great grandfather of W, he was selling steel to Hitler while we were fighting Nazi Germany. He cared more about war profiteering than patriotism and loyalty to his country.

You once again illustrate your utter selfishness with your comment about the department of education. In your world, only those who can afford to pay high tuition costs should be "allowed" an education. You and the rest of your kind don`t grasp the basic concept that a well educated populace makes the entire nation more competitive in a global economy. You also refuse to understand that some things government does better than for profit private interest. Publicly funded education is one of those things.

And don`t even go down that road of "teaching children what to think" It was your dipshit missing link of President who introduced the unfunded "no child left behind" crap that dictated what should and what should not be taught. It is your kind who is constantly trying to get Evolution (the most universally accepted Scientific FACTglobally) thrown out of school in favor of your "Talking Snake Theory". Why not just teach "Peter Rabbit" as fact? It is also your kind who go fucking bananas over teaching sex education and accepting that since the dawn of humanity, teens ARE GOING TO HAVE SEX and teaching them how not to get pregnant and catch STD`s....shall I go on? You and the "conservatives" are the most hypocritical group of people on the planet.
Please show me where in the constitution does it say the government is a charity.
Please show me where in the constitution does it say the government is all high in mighty.

Its not that conservatives don't like helping the poor and needy, they just don't like the government doing it. Its not their job.

Evolution, the most accepted scientific fact? What part isn't just as loony as creationism in evolution where all living life come out of now where?

And lets not get started on bush. He was no conservative.
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Please show me where in the constitution does it say the government is a charity.
Nowhere, but the funny thing is that we (liberals) aren't trying to create a charity. So that comment is irrelevant. If by charity you mean helping people obtain necessary needs, well I can show you where it says that in the Constitution.

The Preamble -

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

Article 1, Section 8 -

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States

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keyword = "Promote" the general welfare. Not provide a general welfare.
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Evolution, the most accepted scientific fact? What part isn't just as loony as creationism in evolution where all living life come out of now where?
The part of evolution that's supported by circumstancial and empirical evidence.

Let's compare it to the parts of creationism that's supported by circumstancial and empirical evidence............
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Well, that was easy.

Science does not and never has claimed to have all the answers. It only claims that it searches for the answers supported by observable evidence. When scientists have the humility to shrug their shoulders and say 'We don't know that yet.' - well, that's when religious nuts point and say 'See, I told you science was wrong!'

Only religion has the audacity and colossal mind-staggering arrogance to claim it has all the answers.
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tony, get some of your friends to come argue for you. please.
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