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Palin and dinosaurs

Palin and dinosaurs? Wait...this could be an action adventure game. Religious figures sold separately.


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you should probably stfu.
Temper temper. I didn't mean to get under your skin and bother you so much that you've got to resort to lines from 6th grade. Honestly, it was an accident. You need to calm down and breath a bit. Take a break for the interwebz if it's getting to you that much. Easy killer, don't throw your monitor across the room or anything.

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I believe that the handful of researchers you talked about were the ones responsible for providing most of the scientists in the world the data for their models.
You also believe in creationism, but I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and say you actually formed these thoughts on your own.

To the point, which specific scientists get their data from these guys? I'm sure since you're an expert on the topic, you've got a couple names sitting in your back pocket. Are they assistant or associate profs? For which institutions and clusters? Who are their collaborators? Do these guys sit on review panels? Which ones? Which specific grants fund their research? What sort of methods do they use to analyze this data they get from other people? What statistical post-tests did they use to determine significance? Was it a two-tailed or one-tailed test? Maybe Tukey's post-test or Dunnett's post-test? What was the resulting p-value for each of the analyzed data sets? Confidence interval? Standard deviation? Standard error?

Please enlighten me, oh all-knowing ambassador of the scientific community.

While you're at it, would you suggest using a modular budget for the NIH K99/R00 bridge grant award that my wife is writing? She's already got IRB approval she can carry over from her SF424 application last year, so that should really help with the study section.

We've been through this before... several times. You have no clue how this works. Not one iota, nada, un-uh, nothing, zip, zero, zilch.... Not the faintest whiff of a shred of experience.

What you believe, or should I say what you've been told by Beck and Limbaugh bears absolutely no resemblance to what's actually going on and how each individual scientist goes about collecting and analyzing their own data. It's a really poorly disguised attempt to implicate the entire scientific community because a couple of scientists typed out poorly thought-out emails because the Bury-your-head-in-the-sand-this-isn't-happening-drill-baby-drill-mine-mine-mine-gimme-gimme-gimme camp is so desperate for SOME sort of coherent sound scientific consensus supporting their side of things that they'll resort to this kind of crap.

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Palin and dinosaurs? Wait...this could be an action adventure game. Religious figures sold separately.
Hey!!! Don't mock!! Dinosaurs were our friends before original sin. I should know, I saw a caveboy feeding a squirrel a carrot while a friendly Utah raptor hung out in the background, patiently waiting his turn for a carrot at the creation museum. That means it's real.

Speaking of Palin, did I mention it was OK to inbreed before a talking snake convinced some chick that apples were healthy?
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About the Climatic Research Unit

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The Climatic Research Unit is widely recognised as one of the world's leading institutions concerned with the study of natural and anthropogenic climate change.

Consisting of a staff of around thirty research scientists and students, the Unit has developed a number of the data sets widely used in climate research, including the global temperature record used to monitor the state of the climate system, as well as statistical software packages and climate models.
Sounds kind of important to me.

Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation - Telegraph

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The reason why even the Guardian's George Monbiot has expressed total shock and dismay at the picture revealed by the documents is that their authors are not just any old bunch of academics. Their importance cannot be overestimated, What we are looking at here is the small group of scientists who have for years been more influential in driving the worldwide alarm over global warming than any others, not least through the role they play at the heart of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Professor Philip Jones, the CRU's director, is in charge of the two key sets of data used by the IPCC to draw up its reports. Through its link to the Hadley Centre, part of the UK Met Office, which selects most of the IPCC's key scientific contributors, his global temperature record is the most important of the four sets of temperature data on which the IPCC and governments rely not least for their predictions that the world will warm to catastrophic levels unless trillions of dollars are spent to avert it.

Dr Jones is also a key part of the closely knit group of American and British scientists responsible for promoting that picture of world temperatures conveyed by Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph which 10 years ago turned climate history on its head by showing that, after 1,000 years of decline, global temperatures have recently shot up to their highest level in recorded history.
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In each of these countries it has been possible for local scientists to compare the official temperature record with the original data on which it was supposedly based. In each case it is clear that the same trick has been played to turn an essentially flat temperature chart into a graph which shows temperatures steadily rising. And in each case this manipulation was carried out under the influence of the CRU.
For the record, NASA has also been denying Freedom of Information Act requests for their data on climate change as well.

It is quite obvious that there has been some serious foul play involved here. You can act like these were just some insignificant hack scientists, but they aren't. They have played an active role in manipulating data as well as silencing dissenting opinions. They have also destroyed the original data and left only the manipulated data for temperature records.

When a small group of scientists get together and peer review their own papers and work to silence and discredit opposing views, how do you call that a true scientific process?
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If I could vote idk who I would vote for I mean I consider myself a democrat but Scott Brown looked like a much stronger candidate than Martha. It wouldn't of mattered either way I would of voted if I was old enough so ignore this post.
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Warming

Anyone who rides the snow knows there's less of it. If you can't see that, there's nothing I can do for you. Just move on...really. There's no part in discussions.

Temperatures are rising.

The arguments are the degree and rapidity of rising and whether it's in a straight line. Sadly, scientists tend to think we're not smart enough to understand complex data so they tried to make it simple.

They were wrong to hide data but ad hominem attacks don't refute reality.

BTW...I'm sure they're right about us not being smart enough. On a cold winter's day, we wonder how it can be cold and there still be global warming. I interview people for employment and have been doing so for decades. It's getting really difficult to find people who understand fundamental logic. Ironically, I don't have that problem interviewing overseas.

Our (American) attention spans are short, our goals tend to revolve around fried foods and reality shows, and we can't understand how the rest of the world is passing us by. Still, I have hope. But I take a lot of solace in my age. If I was young and dealing with this, it would be much harder not to get depressed.


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Americans by an large are stupid...we are a culture of instant gratification and education is not a priority. We no longer have news, we have "entertainment news" like Fox. Schools no longer teach people how to think but rather what to think. Our society places value upon really shallow things like glamor and the kind of car you drive.

It is refreshing to know that at least in some parts of the world, there is a focus on education and a deep concern for global issues such as geo politics and climate. The movie Idiocracy could easily be an expose on current American culture.
That Movie is SCARY!!!!! Quite frankly the most terrifying flick I have ever seen.

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Americans by an large are stupid...we are a culture of instant gratification and education is not a priority. We no longer have news, we have "entertainment news" like Fox. Schools no longer teach people how to think but rather what to think. Our society places value upon really shallow things like glamor and the kind of car you drive. Our "role models" are sports heroes not intellectuals. In fact, intellectuals in this country are considered "liberal hippies" The right in this country are dumbing down society. It`s all about God, guns and waving plastic, made in China American flags at your nearest NASCAR event.
In my opinion this is EXACTLY the problem with humans and climate change, the issue in my opinion is "well we don't know for certain so we won't do anything about it" and not too mention the obvious "I'll be dead long before anything bad happens, so why bother." We could also say since a group played with the numbers, why don't we just chill out on reducing greenhouse gases, lets just act like any other american idiot and keep putting it off, then the next generation will put it off, and so on until we totally fuck up the planet as much as possible.
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