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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 03-21-2010, 09:56 PM Thread Starter
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Senate passed the Health care bill. 219 to 212, government run health care. Just starting the debate that is inevitable.

Since their isn't a response yet I will ask a question. What happens to the militarys insurance (tricare) or the VA. Will our (military active, retired, guard, reserve) insurance just be nonexistant? I can tell everyone here my Tricare (I'm retired) payments are lower than any other persons insurance I have every talked to. It might not be the best but when tricare wont cover me I just go to the VA. If their is national insurance whats the need for the military's insurance like Tricare and the VA.

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But it also helps people without health insurance. They will now be able to pick it up in some way shape or form.
From what I understand you don't have a choice. You HAVE to have health insurance, if you dont their will be a fine. I heard something in the ballpark of 600 a year by 2014? With everything like this it has its good and bad aspects, its all just a waiting game now to see how it plays out. A long wait.
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government run health care... ...If their is national insurance...
Please explain how this bill means government run health care. Had a single-payer system been implemented this might be true, but a mandate to buy insurance from private companies under increased regulation is not a government takeover. There isn't even a public option, or anything resembling the national insurance you mention.

Honest question- has your experience with the VA system which is completely government run been so bad that you wouldn't wish it on the rest of us?
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Senate passed the Health care bill. 219 to 212, government run health care. Just starting the debate that is inevitable.
Oh, you think we haven't debated this before?
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From what I understand you don't have a choice. You HAVE to have health insurance, if you dont their will be a fine.
I personally would rather everyone be forced to have healthcare coverage than the alternative "method" we have in place now: My own hospital bills increased to make up for all the people who didn't have healthcare and can't pay their hospital bills. Worse yet, my own taxes increased to pay for the people who declared bankruptcy in the face of medical bills so I then have to pay ALL their debts.

EDIT: Damn teabaggers are kidding themselves if they think we don't need this. They'll be the ones whining "You never did anything to stop it!" in 2025 when the baby boomers have sucked entitlements dry and there's nothing left.

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From what I understand you don't have a choice. You HAVE to have health insurance, if you dont their will be a fine.
Overall I am a fan of this bill, however this part doesn't excite me too much. There will inevitably be people who fall through the cracks and don't qualify for any discounted insurance through the new provisions in the bill, yet still can't afford insurance. I'm sure this will be the most heavily challenged topic in the bill, I have already heard people saying it is unconstitutional for the government to force people to buy something from a private company. Only a matter of time before the bill is in judicial review. But after all is said and done I think this is a step in the right direction.
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i would think that they would have their own constitutional lawyers reviewing the language of the bill, if it was obvious that it would be shot down in court they wouldn't have included it. ( one would think )
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I'm more concerned how this bill will affect my wife's salary as she is in the health care industry.

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Overall I am a fan of this bill, however this part doesn't excite me too much... I have already heard people saying it is unconstitutional for the government to force people to buy something from a private company. Only a matter of time before the bill is in judicial review.
The mandate for everyone to buy in is required if insurance companies are no longer allowed to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions. Otherwise they could just buy a policy as soon as they get sick and the whole system would fail.

I've been wondering whether this is really constitutional as well. This bill WILL be challenged in court, I forget who it is but somebody already has the wheels in motion on that.
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With car insurance, you are forced to have insurance, BUT you are not forced to drive so therefore you are not forced to have insurance because technically you dont have to drive. With this new health insurance everyone is forced to have insurance no matter what, BUT when people don't have health insurance and wait until their condition builds up to a emergency room visit and they can't afford it, don't us Americans as a whole (well anyone who pays taxes) pay the bill. Am i correct on this? With this in mind (if my thoughts are correct) i am fine with this mandate even tho i dont believe the government should be forcing you to pay for something you may or may not want.

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small businesses with fewer than 25 employees are also exempt from any fines for not providing employer based health insurance.
I thought it was 50? Does anyone know if this counts part time employees, or is it full time only? I can see all the Wal-Marts of the world being pretty upset with this if they had to provide health care for all the people that they intentionally hold to low hours for that very reason.
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