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are we too stupid to prevent climate change?

Cafferty File: Tell Jack how you really feel Blog Archive - Are humans 'too stupid' to prevent climate change? - Blogs from CNN.com


I don't know if i'd call it stupid, more like ignorant.
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We're not too stupid to prevent it, but we're too stupid to understand why we should.

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This drives me bonkers.

First, I'm not going to get into it with someone about if global warming is real or not, so lets not go down that road. I'm simply stating my opinion here.

I do think humans are too dumb to prevent it, call it ignorance if you will I'll agree to that, but we are a nation of "bigger, better, faster". We must have our hummers, suvs and all that bs. Does soccer mom need the suv to carry her son to and from school, nope, but did she buy it because it's the new thing that everyone else is doing, you better believe it. Yes some people use them for a purpose, but don't tell me 90% of them do not need them. It's this mentality that I can't stand, it's the same mentality that makes people sit in their living rooms playing wii instead of going outside and getting exercise.

To the government, what the f? Is it really about their views on specific caps, the little details, or is it about voting against the other party? We spend more time arguing if global warming is real or not rather than doing whats right for the environment EITHER WAY. But hey, since we don't know if it's real, why do anything good for the planet? (sarcasm) Don't give me the bs about car hybrids, suv hybrids. They can do better than that and they know it. If you can have stealth airplanes back in the 70's, do you really expect us to believe the best they can do with a hybrid suv engine is 30mpg? Horse hockey. I ride motorcycles, and am glad to see the number of scooters on the road, even if the only reason is to save gas money, at least they are doing something less harmful. I'm well aware there are many other factors hurting the environment, but the car emissions and public attitude is a prime example of the human problem.

We are sticking our heads in the sand, we are pulling the whole, if I don't think about it, it isn't real. Is that being dumb or ignorant, hell yes. To sum it all up, we are too stupid to prevent it, and too stupid to do anything to fix it when it seriously changes our climate. We as humans don't want to do it ourselves, do our part. When there's a group of people (government) that has the opportunity to pass a bill to help the planet, they are too busy with their ignorant, petty, half-assed politics.

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I don't fully believe global warming is real, why it's simple the Earth has gone through many warming stages in the past. Could it be part of our fault? Possibly but if global warming is true it is the corporations fault. They hold back the advanced technology for profits, make crap products that break in a few months ie cell phones. Their factories spew toxic waste into our waterways and our air.

Look in the sky and watch the jets contrails hover up their for extended periods of time...some people call them chemtrails and there are tons of other conspiracy theories about them but if you watch the trails some create clouds.

I'm going to stop here.

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I ride motorcycles, and am glad to see the number of scooters on the road, even if the only reason is to save gas money, at least they are doing something less harmful.
Actually, bikes are quite a bit more harmful to the environment.

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Didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out. I had heard the china bikes had a hard time passing emissions before coming into the us, but didn't know the overall motorcycle emission specs.

Is that the same for 2 and 4 stroke engines or just 2 stroke? I know 2 strokes are worse but frankly there aren't many on the road around here. I mean the car is producing more volume of emissions but the bike is producing less, so the bike producing less is still more harmful than the car? We could also bring in production of the cars, tires, etc. Less oil needed for the oil changes too. Not trying to argue with you Cifex, just questioning a few things.

Honestly though, how does it compare to fuel efficiency and production, less consumption means less production, which in turn is less pollution or am I wrong here? If I'm not making sense stop me, its beer o'clock here.

P.s. off topic but every car driver should own a motorcycle for a year
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I thought the same thing as well. ( I ride a motorcycle as well). I'm no expert but from the gist of the little research I've done. Cars in general produce more CO2 but bikes emit many times more of all the other harmful emissions. On the order of 50, 100 times more and those emissions are also much more harmful than CO2. Has to do with the lack of cats on bikes as well as the fact the 4 stroke engines by nature run more efficiently at a specific RPM that they are tuned for. Our bikes are on average about a 10th the weight of our cars but only get 2-3 times better fuel economy. All that stuff has to go somewhere.

EDIT: I'm only talking about emissions. I don't know that anyone has ever done a comprehensive study to account for the fewer materials required to manufacture a motorcycle.


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There is some really good info here: Motorcycle pollution

Download the spreadsheet and check out their research.

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we're not too stupid... we are too unwilling to give up what we all seem to think we deserve... be it the individual assuming that we should have a new cell phone every couple years.. that we have the right to our own private mode of transportation... or be it the companies who feel the product they create is worth the harm and the money earned is worth the damage.

there is no way we can convince all the people in the world to stop polluting... there is no way we can stop the earth from getting a little warmer (or colder)...

only solution is to remove the causes of the problem... that means either the earth or life on it(animals pollute too don't forget).

sarcasm... yeah... like THAT will ever catch on...
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i started taking the bus to avoid having to drive the 10 minutes to work and back each day. saves me like at least 1k a year. but i still would rather be driving.

on a separate note: Who Funds Contrariness on Climate Change?: Scientific American

"Koch-funded groups have developed "junk science" asserting that polar bears are not threatened by climate-induced melting of Arctic sea ice, promoted the notion that climate scientists are suppressing alternative findings, and financed studies that misinform the public on renewable energy benefits, Greenpeace says."
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