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Old 04-27-2010, 09:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Oklahoma Senate overrides governor's vetoes to pass abortion laws - CNN.com

besides being a huge waste of money, this is disgusting, and I don't know how any medical practitioner would go along with it.
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they really should pass suicide law before this...
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I feel about abortion the same way I do about gun control:

If you do not believe in guns, don't own one and if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one!



Thank you I want to get a Bumper sticker with this on it.
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Anti-abortion laws are pointless. What did people do before they could legally get abortions? Have their baby? No, sometimes they went to back-alley clinics or performed the abortion themselves.

Allowing clinics to do it doesn't make it any more of a terrible thing, it just makes it safer for the person involved. If they are going to do it anyway, why not let them do it in a safe manner?

I've always been on the fence about abortion. I understand that people want to protect unborn children. In a perfect world, I would feel the exact same way. But this is far from a perfect world.
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yeah except the same people that want to protect "unborn children" don't give a shit about the ones that are born.
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I think they should legalize everything that people can do to themselves, as long as it does not affect anyone else. Making laws to prevent people from doing things to themselves is like preventing natural selection. If people want to mess themselves up, suicide, abuse drugs, or whatever, we should let them...
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This is a touchy subject. I was once all about saying that first trimester babies aren't alive yet. That's until I heard my own son's heartbeat and saw him through ultra-sound at just 8 weeks old. His head, heart, and limbs were already forming.

Hearing that heartbeat was the world's most beautiful sound to me. My views on abortion have effectively changed.

Will I ever try to push my views on someone? Nope. Well, maybe if they are getting one those late abortions. I still firmly believe that abortion time-frames should be reduced.

Do I believe it should be illegal? Still not really. Do I think that implementing a rule that forces soon to abort women to listen to and view an ultrasound is wrong? No I don't. At the same time, I believe it should be done on a case to case basis. If you are a minor, then yes. You should be forced to listen to it. Young girls take these things for granted and more often than not they need a cold hard slap in the face by reality to learn some of life's lessons.

Should adults and especially rape victims be forced to do this? Hell no.

Snowolf, I think I have to respectfully disagree with another one of your comments. About the gun law and not fighting for a ban and instead just choose not to own one... I don't want a gun in the house around my children so I won't purchase one. But my child's friend's parents own a gun that I am unaware of. This is not the best scenario in my opinion and is worthy enough for me to push for anti-gun laws.

This is a hypothetical situation though. I myself am a fan of guns. I just never got around to acquiring a license. Also, I would never keep the ammo and gun in the same place. I think there should be laws for this. Not so much anti-guns, but rules to have parents make sure that they lock these things away separately.
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I also heard the heart beat and it was a super emotional moment, but that doesn't change the fact that until 37 weeks a fetus is not formed enough to live on it's own. That makes it not alive to me, regardless of emotional connection.
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Snowolf, if you print that out I will put it on my car.

I am going to keep it short because honestly I'm sick and fucking tired of the abortion view-extremeists. More often churches than anything else, including churches here who stick 100's of crosses in their front landscaping to remind us, and one fucked up church here who protests it at public events with a 2 liter jug full of red liquid and a baby doll in it. Believe what you want, that's fine, just don't shove it down our throats.
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A heartbeat is nothing more than a biological process which circulates the oxygen we need throughout our body. It's easy to debate what is and isn't life.

The problem is that so many parents who are denied abortions end up with unwanted children or children who go into foster homes. Sure, they may become the next great politician, but they may also become a murderer or rapist. For me, that negates the argument that you might be killing the next Einstein.

Is it more cruel to bring a child into a world that doesn't want it, or to deny that child a life it never knew?

It's a debate I wish didn't even exist because I find it so hard to take a solid stance on either side. I think it's more natural to be on the fence about something like this.
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