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Old 05-10-2010, 01:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Why Should American Taxpayers Bail Out Greece? [Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers]


All across America, people are suffering from “bailout fatigue.” In the last two years, U.S. taxpayers have spent hundreds of billions of dollars to bail out Wall Street, GM, Chrysler, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac, and now President Obama is taking us down a new road that could lead to spending tens of billions of dollars more to bail out foreign countries.

At yesterday’s House Leadership press conference, Rep. Mike Pence and I announced that we are circulating a letter to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner expressing our opposition to using taxpayer dollars for a European bailout. Greece’s $145 billion bailout is just the tip of the iceberg. By rewarding Greece’s failed socialist policies, a Greek bailout makes it more likely that other European countries — especially Spain, Portugal, and Italy — will get in line for American tax dollars and delay the inevitable fiscal reforms that are needed for a long-term recovery.

In recent days, Portugal and Spain have seen their credit ratings downgraded on foreign exchanges. Piero Ghezzi, an economist at Barclay’s Capital, estimates that Spain may need a $450 billion bailout. As a larger economy, Italy may need even more.

While we root for Europe’s success, because a strong European economy benefits America, it’s worth nothing that the EU was created to be an economic competitor to the United States. Therefore, while it may be appropriate for the EU to pay for these bailouts, the same logic doesn’t apply to America. President Obama should extricate the U.S. from the gathering storm of European bailouts which will only delay the fiscal reforms that are necessary for long-term recovery.

Even at this late hour, the Obama administration has considerable power to stop the U.S. from going down this ruinous road. Under current IMF rules, the United States needs only one other IMF member to oppose the bailout to defeat it. Therefore, we are calling on President Obama to publicly oppose the $145 billion Greek bailout, and refuse to participate in any larger European bailout which may be forthcoming.

Although Greece’s population is just over 11 million, Greece employs more than a million people in their public sector. Greek civil servants enjoy 14 months of pay for twelve months worked, and their average retirement age is 53. Once retired, they enjoy generous pension benefits worth 80 percent of their salary.

While many of these benefits will inevitably be reduced as part of the IMF bailout, the sheer size of bailout will dull much of the pain. After all, given Greece’s small population, $145 billion works out to $13,000 per person. An equivalent bailout of the United States — which has a population of over 300 million — would cost over $4 trillion.

At a time when America is experiencing its worst economy in 30 years and is burdened by a $1.4 trillion deficit, U.S. taxpayers should not be forced to prop up failed socialist policies in relatively wealthy European nations.

The question needs to be asked: Why should American taxpayers contribute to such a generous bailout when most states, including California, New York, and New Jersey, are making severe budget cuts to balance their budgets? Strong leaders like Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey are making tough choices without raising taxes or even requesting aid from Washington, D.C. If America isn’t asking for Europe’s help with New Jersey, why should Europe feel uninhibited about asking for America’s help with Greece?

After all, the U.S. is in the midst of its own debt crisis. The Congressional Budget Office predicts that America’s debt held by the public will reach 90 percent of Gross Domestic Product within ten years. By comparison, Greece’s current debt-to-GDP ratio of 112.5 percent has resulted in a lowering of their credit rating to junk status. Without dramatic spending restraint, the U.S. is on a path towards the same catastrophe.

With its record spending and deficits, the Obama administration has shown little interest in taking fiscal responsibility. That is a mistake. To see the consequences of “Obama-nomics,” take a look at Greece today. Or look at Spain tomorrow. That is America’s future unless we reverse course, and do it soon. Contributing to a Greek bailout — or any larger European bailout — will only speed up the day of reckoning.

The Obama administration should protect U.S. taxpayers and publicly oppose a European bailout. At the very least, the president should be upfront and forthright about the potential costs of such a bailout. And he should take ownership of his decision by acknowledging he has tools at his disposal to stop a bailout, if he chooses to use them.

European bailouts are a legitimate national issue that requires an open debate. We look forward to the administration’s response.

— Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers is the vice chair of the House Republican Conference, the fourth-highest-ranking position in the House Republican leadership, and represents the people of Washington State’s Fifth congressional district.
 
Old 05-10-2010, 03:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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HOw would helping out the European economy speed up the day of reckoning? If anything, it could make lifetime friends and allies.
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I say FUCK'EM.

They can deal with their own shit.
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Normally a humanitarian thing to do would be to help those in need. But the main problem with helping out Greece? The US can't even fix it's own problems.

The government would like to put a spin that our economy is getting better by first blaming the snow in January and Feburary for massive job losses, as if it never has snowed before. Then with the temporary hiring of census workers, they tout that there are 290k plus jobs created in April and the rise to 9.9% of the unemployment rate? Well now there is more people actively looking for employment since there are more jobs available. It's just more spin after spin so the entire nation thinks something positive is happening. Truth is nothing is happening. So first and foremost, the US needs to gets it's own house in order before sending Bob the Builder to fix other's.
 
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Could the US bail out the average American citizen first? Some of us are really struggling from job loss and other things associated with the economic collapse. While I appreciate that we're giving money to banks which have CEOs worth billions of dollars, how about the people who had to move to 2 bedroom apartments from their 1700 sq ft house because those same banks robbed us blind?

In short, where's MY bailout?
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I second that, the government has done nothing but stick the average joe with the tab for bailing out the very same people who fucked us in the first place. Like the AIG people who are looking for the US to bailout Greece or the lovely fucks at JP Morgan/Chase who did a report against continuing unemployment because it causes a higher unemployment rate not a 'true' rate, but took 26 billion dollars in bailout, used the money to purchase Bear Sterns and Washington Mutual, then took $400 million to move thousands of jobs to Bangalore. Something is really wrong with this country.
 
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I second that, the government has done nothing but stick the average joe with the tab for bailing out the very same people who fucked us in the first place. Like the AIG people who are looking for the US to bailout Greece or the lovely fucks at JP Morgan/Chase who did a report against continuing unemployment because it causes a higher unemployment rate not a 'true' rate, but took 26 billion dollars in bailout, used the money to purchase Bear Sterns and Washington Mutual, then took $400 million to move thousands of jobs to Bangalore. Something is really wrong with this country.
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Vive la revolution!!!

Now we the people have to erect a guillotine in front of the Capital Building with a warning to the Senate since it is those powers that be that need a reminder that they are by the people and for the people which does not include any corporation which decides to move any jobs from the US.
 
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Modern day takeover of another country....?
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Could the US bail out the average American citizen first? Some of us are really struggling from job loss and other things associated with the economic collapse. While I appreciate that we're giving money to banks which have CEOs worth billions of dollars, how about the people who had to move to 2 bedroom apartments from their 1700 sq ft house because those same banks robbed us blind?

In short, where's MY bailout?
Damn right, I lost my job because of the banks and the lenders were PREDATORY. It was a major real estate title company. Then Fidelity bought us and a ton of us were laid-off on New Years Eve. But no, lets keep throwing our money away.

To hell with Greece, sure they are suffering...WE ARE TOO. If I can't pay my rent would I give money to someone else so they can pay theirs?
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