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Old 05-16-2010, 10:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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this is fucking retarded. welcome to the police state where the ends justify the means. was it worth to kill a little girl just to get a murder suspect? when are americans going to stand up against this police bullshit? you guys talk about how there's going to be a revolution... never going to happen. people are bunch of brainwashed pussies.
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I'm on the fence with this one. My condolences to the family of the girl though.

I can't imagine a police force without to means to stop heavily armed criminals. Sometimes these military tactics are needed.

The problem I see is in the strategy of when to use these tactics. Obviously, some more intel was needed before this strike. Kids in the house? Absolutely inexcusable to be throwing flash bangs inside. That's just common sense to me. You're telling me they couldn't just surround the house and tell the guy to come out? Rush in with shields instead?

However, that grandparent shouldn't have wrestled with an armed officer. That was and is dangerous. I can't be mad at the police for this. I'm with Snowolf in that I'm more pissed at the system. Executing military style raids hastily was not the way to go with this one. Even for a violent murderer.
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I was going to comment, but you pretty much covered it Leo. I bet the Officer is totally devastated too.

Unfortunately the days of Officer Smith knocking on a door and asking the bad guy to give himself up are long over. Bad guys carry automatic weapons mow a days and half the time are high on drugs too.

Before you comment on how police should do their job, just think first and try walking a mile in their shoes. If there is a better way to do it, I bet they will be open to hearing it. Arm chair critics with no experience need not apply.
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armchair critics are the only ones who are able to talk. I have every right to be a critic if the police are able to mistakenly blow off my door and shoot my pets because they got the wrong house in a drug raid. Leo, you are right "sometimes" these tactics are appropriate. They are becoming the norm however, and it's being pushed by the military industrial complex. Crime is a huge cashcow in this country, and I'm not talking about the criminals making the money
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I was talking about criticising the tactics and training of police, not cops who can't do intel and work out street addresses.

There are a lot of armchair critics out there who are the first to comment and complain about how the police are doing their job but would be the last to ever try it for themselves or come up with a valid working suitable alternative to current procedures.

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that officer who shot her is going to burn for that. fucked up world we live in, eh?
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cav that's my point, military tactics should not be used in domestic situations.
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Then that raises my point.... What is the alternative. It is no good saying "You can't do it that way" and then not have an alternative.

One of the most hotly discussed topics is police pursuits. Damned if you do and dmaned if you don't. But what is the alternative?

Military style tactics are used because they work in similar situations for the military in urban environments. To enter a premises quickly wit hte occupants disoriented so they can be caught by suprise. They are not new tactics... go watch an episode of Adam 12 from the 60's and they were using flash bangs and SWAT teams then, 45 yrs ago.

No-one likes the thought of hurting or killing innocent people, and the thought of it being a child too.... is devastating.

Something went terribly wrong with this particular incident. Not knowing there was children in the house was the first point. How and why the officers firearm discharged during a struggle will be the crux of it all. It may have been caused by the occupant grabbing the officer's gun!!

At the end of the day, the judiciary will have months to ponder and decide what happened with all the facts in the cold hard light of day to judge the officer's actions who only had split seconds to think.

I feel sorry for the officer's involved and for the family of the child too. This is a no win situation.

Policing all around the world has undergone a massive change. The English Bobby does not ride around his village on his bike anymore, they all wear kevlar vests and the airports are patrolled by uniform officers with MP5's.

Aussie cops stopped wearing white caps, dark slacks and blue business style shirts years ago. Now they are wear cargo pants and wear vests and thigh holsters. They are almost as geared up as our soldiers in Afghanistan.

US Police are no different, there have been many incidents of where the police were out gunned and out armoured. As a result of the FBI Shoot out in Miami in 1986, The FBI switched to .40 cal S&W. In 1997 as a result of the North Hollywood shootout police have access to AR-15 rifles in some of their cars. 911 didn't help with the overall threat and so it all got ramped up again.

I honestly believed if someone came up with a tactic that would allow police to enter a premises and arrest a person quickly, quietly and safely... they would adopt it..... but then so would the military too and then it becomes another military tactic.
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So were the police the only people who fired? I am with Leo, you don't just rush in and ready to shoot anything that moves. It looks like thats what happened... No one will ever convince me that the shoot first say sorry later tactic is viable.

Shields are available, so I suggest they use it. Or how about development of complete full body armor? What we need is advancement in the defensive area to protect officers instead of offensive tactics that potentially harm innocents and the officers themselves. Cop just cannot assume everything in a hostile environment is hostile.

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