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Old 06-01-2010, 12:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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In case anyone is wondering wtf is going to happen. The answer is nothing, please see below. Please note I am not expressing any bias or judgement. Just showing what the law says, and the law says this is pretty damned open and shut.



Helsinki Principles on the Law of Maritime Neutrality

5.1.2(3) Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State may be attacked if they are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search, capture or diversion.

5.1.2(4) Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State may be attacked if they
(a) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) are incorporated into or assist the enemy’s intelligence system;
(e) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy’s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

5.2.1 Visit and search
As an exception to Principle 5.1.2. paragraph 1 and in accordance with Principle 1.3 (2nd sentence), belligerent warships have a right to visit and search vis-ŕ-vis neutral commercial ships in order to ascertain the character and destination of their cargo. If a ship tries to evade this control or offers resistance, measures of coercion necessary to exercise this right are permissible. This includes the right to divert a ship where visit and search at the place where the ship is encountered are not practical.

5.2.10 Blockade
Blockade, i.e. the interdiction of all or certain maritime traffic coming from or going to a port or coast of a belligerent, is a legitimate method of naval warfare. In order to be valid, the blockade must be declared, notified to belligerent and neutral States, effective and applied impartially to ships of all States. A blockade may not bar access to neutral ports or coasts. Neutral vessels believed on reasonable and probable grounds to be breaching a blockade may be stopped and captured. If they, after prior warning, clearly resist capture, they may be attacked.
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well this is a moot point. Israel's blockade is in itself illegal and a gross violation of international law.

you're right in one sense, though: nothing will happen. the international community is spineless when it comes to confronting Israel's barbarity.
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Nothing's going to happen as long as the world can get the noise to stop.

It'll piss people off for a couple months, the Muslim extremists will show the world how non-violent a religion Islam is by burning a few Israeli embassies. Israel will 'protect itself' by knocking down a couple of random unthreatening houses in west bank. Hamas will then demonstrate they aren't barbaric like Israel and bomb a school bus full of Jewish children. Europe will then condemn the Israeli actions and conveniently forget about several dozen dead innocent Jewish civilians (Europe's good at that). Israel will get more paranoid as their suspicions that nobody gives a fuck about them are confirmed and become even more trigger-itchy under the pressure of self-preservation. Hamas will launch a new kid's show and have Jihad-Joe-Joe the dancing dog fill 3 and 4 year old's heads with how fun it is to burn Jews alive and then wonder why nobody takes them seriously as a partner in the peace process.

Relations will return to normal once a Palestinian terrorist with a rocket launcher aimed at a hospital hides behind a civilian that Israel is forced to kill or Israel shoots a Palestinian kid for throwing rocks at a tank as it's rolling over his house.

We'll pass another toothless UN resolution that's better suited for wiping your ass than stopping violence in the Mid-East.

And then we'll know all is status quo and as it is supposed to be in the Mid-East.
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lol exactly.
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well this is a moot point. Israel's blockade is in itself illegal and a gross violation of international law.
Please explain why you believe the blockade is illegal. I can assure you that it is not. You could argue that it is collective punishment of citizens; however that rule only applies to sovereign states that are controlled by occupying powers. Gaza is not a sovereign state and Israel has not occupied it since 2005.

Sure it sucks for Palestinians to live that way but that's what happens when you elect a terrorist group to run your government and your men refuse to put on a military uniform to fight.
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What is up with peoples hate towards Israel? Hamas has been launching missiles into Israel for some time now kill innocent people, so Israel does something about it and the world cry's wolf. Another point a lot of people are forgetting was the Israel government gave the Flotilla the option to come to into an Israel port and be inspected, then all goods would be taken into the Gaza strip. They refused.


If some one was launching rockets into the USA, what the hell do you think would happen? Its ok for us to defend ourselves, but they can't? They are surround by people who hate them. They have all the right in the world to be trigger happy. Its a kill or be killed situation to Israel.
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I could care less what is going on over there. That area has been at war off an on since the beginning of civilization and that will more than likely continue until the end of civilization. My solution? Just make sure both sides stay well supplied with ammo and let them take each other out. Instead of prolonging the situation, just throw some gas on the fire.
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What so Israel has done nothing wrong? LMFAO!!!!!
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And I agree we should continue to sell the weapons and let them shoot the shit outta each other till one gives up. War is money, might as well take it.

I am not going to just say this is Israels fault here. I think there is more to this story. I mean just refusing inspection alone is enough to want to take a close look.

Israel has always been stubborn when it comes to the pals...
You don't think they would eventually turn those weapons against other countries, possibly the US?
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personally, i would love to see countries in the middle east straight up and try* to attack Israel. They would all get the shit kicked out of them.
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