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Indian court finds chemical execs guilty in Bhopal disaster - CNN.com

Oh big brother corporation, please protect me from the EVIL GOVERNMENT.
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yes I know, i'm just mocking the republicans/libertarians that think that somehow the free market protects them more than a government would.
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mormons have far more money now than the catholic church does.
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I didn't even hear about it till now. :-/
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my question is without competition (main premise of Capitalism) why should one (corporation) try to improve its products over another?Or in our terms, why should one snowboarding company try and produce better snowboards over another? Competition is the driving force of our society in America. It has given us the best quality of life (overall) then most if not all countries. Socialism denies the fact that some people a better at things then others. Some people simply work harder, but in a socialist or communist world, they are not rewarded. Their hard earned money is taken from them (in the form of taxes) and given to people who are undeserving or simply don't try.

If communism is so good, why is that they have failed or failing? The only country that is "communist" by nature is china, and the only reason why they are doing so good is not because of self generated wealth, its because of American money, other wise they would be another failing nation. I find that when you put all the power into the governments hands, things tend to get worse, as they are today, as we give the government more and more power.

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my question is without competition (main premise of Capitalism) why should one (corporation) try to improve its products over another?Or in our terms, why should one snowboarding company try and produce better snowboards over another?
Because they like snowboarding. Improvement is not always tied to profit, especially when people are already comfortable.

Capitalism is hardly the final point in the evolution of economy. In fact, a bunch of it is pretty fukking barbaric.

Look at all the music Jamaica produces. They have a tradition of sharing music (riddims) and using each others songs, to create WAY more music than if they were separate and 'competing'.

Some areas of computer programming are like this too. Programmers put out freeware that is free to be modified and built upon, so that instead of a companies working against each other of separate systems to perpetuate their own little fiefdom, you have people working TOGETHER to build and improve, without the profit factor.

Or what about co-ops, where people work together without a top-down hierarchical structure, where everyone has more of a democratic voice in ho the business is run, and gets paid more fairly for their work?

These are just examples of alternatives to the corporate/capitalist model of business.


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Competition is the driving force of our society in America. It has given us the best quality of life (overall) then most if not all countries.

Our lifestyle also causes the most environmental destruction and exploitation of other people and animals, precisely because of the corporate, capitalist model. It is the capitalist countries (China too, the main source of all our wonderful lifestyle goods, snowboards included) driving global warming and this current shyt-storm.

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Socialism denies the fact that some people a better at things then others. Some people simply work harder, but in a socialist or communist world, they are not rewarded. Their hard earned money is taken from them (in the form of taxes) and given to people who are undeserving or simply don't try.
first off- We are not talking about capitalism specifically, we are talking about corporations. Stay on target, instead of trying to make some point that hasn't been attacked. Thats called a 'strawman argument'.

next- How is the corporate model any better, where workers hard-earned money is taken from them (in the form of low wages) and given to people who are undeserving or simply don't try (CEO's and shareholders)?

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If communism is so good, why is that they have failed or failing? The only country that is "communist" by nature is china, and the only reason why they are doing so good is not because of self generated wealth, its because of American money, other wise they would be another failing nation. I find that when you put all the power into the governments hands, things tend to get worse, as they are today, as we give the government more and more power.
fukk off. No one here is talking about communism, you nitwit. Stop making strawman arguments. Please.

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Yeah success at fucking over the working man and destroying the planet at the same time....



A much, much smarter person than either of us had this to say:



Sadly, what Mr. Marx did`nt count on was the skill at which the capitalists could hijack a political party (Republicans) and create social wedge issues of such magnitude as to get the masses to vote against their own best interests, thus voluntarily donning the yoke of slavery without a shot being fired.....

There is no better example of the true evil that is Capitalism than your local Wal Mart. Everything this corporate monster does is representative of the complete and utter ruthless ambition of the Capitalist. It is a system than can only survive on complete death and destruction like a parasite that kills its host. Like a cancer, Capitalism must be utterly destroyed if humanity as a species and civilization has any hope of long term survival!

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While i admit i should have quoted to who i responded, this whole thread is arguing why capitalism is bad, so in fact, im right on topic of defending it and questioning other methods of governments and economies asswipe.

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Because they like snowboarding. Improvement is not always tied to profit, especially when people are already comfortable.
I think you are full of shit with this argument. People do not improve without benefit to themselves or ones closely around them. Change and improvements are made when something is to gain. Hell many of the luxuries we buy today would not have been invented without the incentive of profit.

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I think you are full of shit with this argument. People do not improve without benefit to themselves or ones closely around them. Change and improvements are made when something is to gain. Hell many of the luxuries we buy today would not have been invented without the incentive of profit.
C'mon, you can do better than that.

Of course people improve things for benefits to themselves. They also fukk up things for benefit to themselves, thats what this whole thread is about.

Corporate business is in the business of profit. That does not always equal a better product If it was so, why don't all snowboards come with a 3-year warranty? The tech is there to make them last that long, even Burton says they COULD do it.

And more often than not, like in the Bhopal disaster or even the BP fukkstorm we are experiencing, is due to corporations pursuing profit at the expense of the world around them. How many examples do you need?

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