Cops without radar guns give tickets - Snowboarding Forum

Deviant · 06-16-2010, 01:21 PM

This is happening where I live, just wanted some outside opinion on it. Basically cops are being trained to "guess or estimate" peoples speed instead of using radar guns.

Ohio Cops Don't Need Radar Gun to Ticket Drivers - ABC News

snowjeeper · 06-16-2010, 01:28 PM

yeah i saw that last week, what bullshit. you already have to prove innocence in traffic court, but this is ridiculous. But everyone I know from Ohio talk about how shitty their cops are.

Flick Montana · 06-16-2010, 01:29 PM

Wow...

I hope this doesn't stand up. What kind of "special training" allows cops to be reliable measurements for speed? Especially ones that can cost people hundreds of dollars...

Deviant · 06-16-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by snowjeeper

yeah i saw that last week, what bullshit. you already have to prove innocence in traffic court, but this is ridiculous. But everyone I know from Ohio talk about how shitty their cops are.

I respect the police in general, so don't take this the wrong way, but almost everyone I know in this area can give you a bad story about the police in my city, and no it isn't a slum, it's just corruption. That's what a lot of people are concerned about though, if a cop has a grudge/bad day/or the city needs money they can just go berserk with it. They've done shit like this before with massive amounts of tickets in one day with lining up cop cars on the freeway entrance ramps and pulling anyone over for the littlest things.

To Flick, sadly the Ohio Supreme Court voted this in 5-1.

Leo · 06-16-2010, 02:39 PM

I was going 5mph on an icey road. I tried to make a Michigan left turn (which is bullshit in itself because you are forced to make a U-Turn to turn left in most major roads here) and my car just kept sliding straight. Hit a stop sign. Only my car was damaged because 5mph is obviously too slow to do anything to the sign.

I made the mistake of filing a police report in case I needed it for insurance reasons. They gave me a ticket. They said I was driving too fast for weather conditions. They told me I could be going 1mph and if I slide, then I'm still going too fast. What a load of crap. That's what I get for being an honest citizen.

On topic: There are ways to become pretty damn accurate in eyeballing speed and distance. Specially trained military personal can do this.

That is not the problem though. The problem is the proof. Sure you can estimate pretty damn well, but where is the solid proof? What about the cops who are inaccurate? What about the abuse potential? Pretty dumb if you ask me.

Technine Icon · 06-16-2010, 06:46 PM

That is ridiculous. I dont care how much training they have, the human aspect will lead to to many stupid mistakes

yusoweird · 06-16-2010, 06:56 PM

I knew that for a fact. I normally have my escort turned on and I witnessed someone got pulled over with no radar or laser. The person that was pulled over braked when he saw a cop. He then attempted to switch line once, which is a mistake. I thought the cop was going to pull me over, but it was him. I really think that because he braked and changed lane, the cop just assumed he was speeding. We were going 75 on a 70... I have a gut feeling that the person received an 85mph ticket.

Don't brake when you see a cop! They can see that you are braking. You are just giving them the impression that you are speeding. If you do brake, do it lightly... I cannot stand when people brake even when they are within speed limit...

All this trained eye crap is bs. I am pretty sure they created that law because radar's are not getting enough tickets, since most people have radar detectors nowadays. It is just another way to make money...

Deviant · 06-16-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo

I was going 5mph on an icey road. I tried to make a Michigan left turn (which is bullshit in itself because you are forced to make a U-Turn to turn left in most major roads here) and my car just kept sliding straight. Hit a stop sign. Only my car was damaged because 5mph is obviously too slow to do anything to the sign.

I made the mistake of filing a police report in case I needed it for insurance reasons. They gave me a ticket. They said I was driving too fast for weather conditions. They told me I could be going 1mph and if I slide, then I'm still going too fast. What a load of crap. That's what I get for being an honest citizen.

On topic: There are ways to become pretty damn accurate in eyeballing speed and distance. Specially trained military personal can do this.

That is not the problem though. The problem is the proof. Sure you can estimate pretty damn well, but where is the solid proof? What about the cops who are inaccurate? What about the abuse potential? Pretty dumb if you ask me.

Yep this is exactly the problem my friend. I don't see how the guy in the case that started this lost his case. No matter what, the cop cannot prove that speed and I won't believe for a second that the police are any more honest than an average joe. No one can say that this will never be abused, it's just a matter of time if it hasn't happened already. Not to mention the fact that sport-bike riders, tuner cars and hot rods are automatically a target in a cops eyes. Thanks worthless ohio supreme court.

yusoweird · 06-16-2010, 07:24 PM

on the other hand, if they captured you on video, the video can be processed to determine you speed. if they are going to eye ball it, i think they need to provide a video for proof.

snowjeeper · 06-16-2010, 09:39 PM

only brake if you're going over by a lot. and only if it's before they get you on radar lol. i've slowed down like 20mph many times before the cop could get me on radar. they would pull me over anyway and waste my time, but no tickets. guess in Ohio I would.

06-16-2010, 01:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Deviant Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,659	Cops without radar guns give tickets This is happening where I live, just wanted some outside opinion on it. Basically cops are being trained to "guess or estimate" peoples speed instead of using radar guns. Ohio Cops Don't Need Radar Gun to Ticket Drivers - ABC News

06-16-2010, 01:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Flick Montana Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Beech Grove, Indiana sigh Posts: 4,168	Wow... I hope this doesn't stand up. What kind of "special training" allows cops to be reliable measurements for speed? Especially ones that can cost people hundreds of dollars... __________________ Zombie Nation Gear: Rome Design 165 / Rome Arsenals Rome Anthem 158

06-16-2010, 02:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,212	I was going 5mph on an icey road. I tried to make a Michigan left turn (which is bullshit in itself because you are forced to make a U-Turn to turn left in most major roads here) and my car just kept sliding straight. Hit a stop sign. Only my car was damaged because 5mph is obviously too slow to do anything to the sign. I made the mistake of filing a police report in case I needed it for insurance reasons. They gave me a ticket. They said I was driving too fast for weather conditions. They told me I could be going 1mph and if I slide, then I'm still going too fast. What a load of crap. That's what I get for being an honest citizen. On topic: There are ways to become pretty damn accurate in eyeballing speed and distance. Specially trained military personal can do this. That is not the problem though. The problem is the proof. Sure you can estimate pretty damn well, but where is the solid proof? What about the cops who are inaccurate? What about the abuse potential? Pretty dumb if you ask me. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

06-16-2010, 06:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
yusoweird Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 508	I knew that for a fact. I normally have my escort turned on and I witnessed someone got pulled over with no radar or laser. The person that was pulled over braked when he saw a cop. He then attempted to switch line once, which is a mistake. I thought the cop was going to pull me over, but it was him. I really think that because he braked and changed lane, the cop just assumed he was speeding. We were going 75 on a 70... I have a gut feeling that the person received an 85mph ticket. Don't brake when you see a cop! They can see that you are braking. You are just giving them the impression that you are speeding. If you do brake, do it lightly... I cannot stand when people brake even when they are within speed limit... All this trained eye crap is bs. I am pretty sure they created that law because radar's are not getting enough tickets, since most people have radar detectors nowadays. It is just another way to make money... Last edited by yusoweird; 06-16-2010 at 07:13 PM.

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06-16-2010, 01:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
snowjeeper Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: WI Posts: 1,922	yeah i saw that last week, what bullshit. you already have to prove innocence in traffic court, but this is ridiculous. But everyone I know from Ohio talk about how shitty their cops are.

06-16-2010, 06:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
Technine Icon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CT Posts: 1,252	That is ridiculous. I dont care how much training they have, the human aspect will lead to to many stupid mistakes

06-16-2010, 07:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
yusoweird Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 508	on the other hand, if they captured you on video, the video can be processed to determine you speed. if they are going to eye ball it, i think they need to provide a video for proof.

06-16-2010, 09:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
snowjeeper Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: WI Posts: 1,922	only brake if you're going over by a lot. and only if it's before they get you on radar lol. i've slowed down like 20mph many times before the cop could get me on radar. they would pull me over anyway and waste my time, but no tickets. guess in Ohio I would.