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post #11 of 24 (permalink) Old 08-26-2010, 11:36 AM
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We've yet to pass laws banning head scarves. Nor have we had any riots in Dearborn, MI.... yet.
perhaps you'd like to make such virtuous tolerance the subject of another thread?

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Because that's the way it's done here. I realize to European eyes, any difference (even if something as innocuous as white socks with dark shoes, banning smoking in supermarkets, or personal hygiene) between Americans and Europeans is automatically taken as a sign of American incivility and inferiority, but you're getting uptight about the same stuff you're blasting America for getting uptight about, only in the other direction.
There's no need to be so defensive; i never stated this as being a negative difference.

I am closer to being down loose than uptight, but the OP did seem to be on the verge of frenzy and so i thought i would add that this situation seems limited in its geographical range. 'tis all.

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perhaps you'd like to make such virtuous tolerance the subject of another thread?
Go for it.
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There's no need to be so defensive; i never stated this as being a negative difference.
If I had a nickel for every Euro-trash tourist I've come across that hasn't learned the ultra-nationalistic lessons from a bloody 20th century, I'd be able to bail out Europe AND the U.S..

Must have been a knee-jerk reaction to a steady stream of knee-high jerks.

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I think this stems from the desire to be part of the group; to show that you belong. People want to identify their heritage, yet not have that isolate them in any way.
This is what i had always attributed it to. The 'patriotism' card is played pretty heavily in America, but so too is the effort to display diversity (to a palatable extent) and one's heritage.

And so people remain 'free' to identify themselves on the basis of where they are from, but only if they add the 'pride' of where they currently reside.

Meanwhile, few people where i currently live proclaim themselves only as 'Canadian'. Even those who were born here, inevitably feel inclined to refer to their parent's parent's homeland!

It is nice that people have confidence to add colour (pun not intended) to their origins, without having to dilute this sense of individuality to appease the flag wavers.

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I am certainly liberal, but there are aspects of this political movement that are insane.
In Vancouver there is a thing called a Japadog; A road side hotdog vending trolley, that has dogs with various bits of herb / spice / wasabi etc in it.

Some piece of liberal bullshit has brought up the question of whether 'jap' is too derogatory a term to prefix this vending outfit!

Important stuff! Far more vital than the tourists mixing with street meth smokers 10 blocks away!

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In Vancouver there is a thing called a Japadog; A road side hotdog vending trolley, that has dogs with various bits of herb / spice / wasabi etc in it.

Some piece of liberal bullshit has brought up the question of whether 'jap' is too derogatory a term to prefix this vending outfit!
Oh hey, and let's not forget the tempest over Hunky Bill's!!!


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I think all of you proved Snowolf's point from earlier. Notice how everyone speaking here is not an ethnic minority? Except for Anti-Bling. He is the minority where he is.

From my viewpoint, the reason I bring up the term "Korean-American" when describing myself is because some asshat will always ask me questions about a country that I have never even stepped foot into. When I add the "American" at the end, they simply go, "oh, so you were born here" which is more tolerable than the other ignorant questions I receive. It is also to show pride in America. Perhaps to feel more accepted amongst White America. Especially since I'm now living in Detroit area where there is a huge pride thing with American made cars and such.

Is it bullshit? Yes it is, but that's life. Do you know what it feels like to have someone ask you what your real name is after you just told them?

Stranger: Hey, what's your name?

Me: Leo

Stranger: No, I mean your real name

Me: Leo is my real name you ignorant fuck. What? You think I was looking through the local paper's horroscope section and just one day decided to call myself Leo?

Stranger: No, seriously... there aren't any Asians with the name Leo.

Me: Am I fucking invisible?

Yes, that was an actual conversation from my life. Minus the "ignorant fuck" comment, but I was sure thinking that in my head.

So there you have it from one ethnic American on why I add "American" following "Korean." Also, I don't like being called Oriental or Chinese. I'm not a rug and I'm definitely not Chinese. Do me the favor of not calling me that and I'll gladly return the favor by not calling you a milky ass cracker that's probably from Scotland.

BTW: That last thing about Oriental and Chinese was purely a joke so I can make that White comment lol.

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I never understood the whole "African-America" deal, like Paolo pointed out it just doesn't come up in Canada. In my view, we're all Canadians with ties to a different country that someone might have immigrated from. I have yet to come across anyone that has got offended because I may have got their origins wrong, as was pointed out already, it's how you come across to the person. I've made the mistake of thinking a Somalian was actually an Ethiopian or an East Indian person who is really from Guyana, in either of those cases there was no problem, I was just corrected and we moved on. In any instance I've made the mistake it usually resulted in a conversation about where their from, what it was like living there and what made them come to Canada. If anyone is sincere about wanting to know where someone grew up or was born I highly doubt it would ever be construed as being racist.

IMO, people getting accused of racism are probably bringing it on themselves. Not to mention I'm a firm believer that regardless of background, we're all pink on the inside.

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What a lot of you are missing in your points about "African-Americans" is that Black slavery in America existed up until fairly recently. Furthermore, we still have Black people living today that had to deal with segregation and civil rights. Now, I don't know much about European and Canadian Black slavery situations, but from what I read they banned it long before America. America also had a Civil War because of it.

For Black-Americans, being acknowledged as an American was a big fucking deal. So I completely understand why they are addressed as such. However, I do agree that it has become pointless nowadays for the youngsters. I grow very tired of the slavery argument popping up when that particular individual didn't have to deal with any of that bullshit. I debated with a Black classmate before. He was talking about how Blacks were forced here to be slaves and how they had no civil rights even after slavery was abolished. I asked him if he even realized that African leaders were trading their own people for goods with westerners. I then asked him if he ever personally had to face racism. He replied no to both. I told him that I personally have faced racism a lot and still do.

Here's my theory on why me, as a Korean, receives more racism than a Black person... Americans walk on eggshells around Blacks. They're so afraid to offend them because of that damn slavery argument. With Asians, they see nothing wrong with making Bruce Lee noises, mimicking our language, or clapping their hands together and giving us some Kung Fu bullshit of a bow. Oh, let's not forget the quintessential small penis comments. "He's just a little Asian that's good at math and video games. It's perfectly fine to do the shit that I see in movies to him." People can take that crap and shove it up their ass sideways.

You know who I do truly sympathize with? Arabs in America. They have it fucking bad right now.

Sorry about my rant. The race issue ignites a fire inside me. Something great did come out of this though... fight experience. I've been beat up and other people have been beat up by me. I've always like a good fist fight

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All I know, is that skin color and body type are akin to evolutionary adaptations thousands and millions of years ago. Europeans are white because they evolved through a nasty ice age, white skin allows greater production of Vitamin D needed to avoid skeletal deformations, because the sun was never out. Obviously in Africa, Australia, and Southern America it's freakin hot, so darker skin was developed in order to protect skin from the sun. Short and Squat body types benefit from cold weather, because they allow the body to retain heat, energy and fat needed for cold weather. Tall and Skinny body types dissipate heat quickly, something needed for warm climates.

People are just people. If someone's an asshole, label them an asshole, rather then blaming their biological makeup. The world would be a much better place if some people would just put away their bible belts and take some science classes.

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All I know, is that skin color and body type are akin to evolutionary adaptations thousands and millions of years ago. Europeans are white because they evolved through a nasty ice age, white skin allows greater production of Vitamin D needed to avoid skeletal deformations, because the sun was never out. Obviously in Africa, Australia, and Southern America it's freakin hot, so darker skin was developed in order to protect skin from the sun. Short and Squat body types benefit from cold weather, because they allow the body to retain heat, energy and fat needed for cold weather. Tall and Skinny body types dissipate heat quickly, something needed for warm climates.

People are just people, get over it. The world would be a much better place if some people would just put away their bible belts and take some science classes.
No... God baked us. One day, God decided to bake human beings. He's never done this before so he pulled his first batch out too early. This is how White people were born. Trying to learn from his mistakes, he baked the next batch longer. However, this time he baked it too long. This is how Black people were born. So God got smart. With his final batch, he set a timer. The result was perfectly baked Asians.

True story.

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All I know, is that skin color and body type are akin to evolutionary adaptations thousands and millions of years ago.

Europeans are white because they evolved through a nasty ice age... Short and Squat body types benefit from cold weather.... Tall and Skinny body types dissipate heat quickly, something needed for warm climates.
How does your understanding of adaptive radiation explain the Dutch? A breed of gigantically tall white people?

For me, i am currently being mistaken for australian and even south african. But i dont care. I am not about to insist on being regarded as an english-canadian! In the meantime, i shall continue to tolerate insinuations that my teeth are beyond crooked, that my sister is a chav and i have (on at least one occassion) had tea with the queen.

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