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Old 10-03-2010, 09:55 AM   #11 (permalink)
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i'm pretty sure there are ignorant, abusive, and downright bad atheists in the world too. just sayin'

while not being religious myself, I see that for some people it is such a powerful influence for good in life. it's sad that it can also be the cause of so much hate.
Re the first line, you are correct, but evil atheists don't generally use their atheism as a justification for their behaviour. Re the second line, generally speaking I think that good people will be good people regardless; and bad people will be bad people regardless.

As with most things in life, we are talking generalizations. And generally religion and the religious creates more problems, violence and divisiveness than it's worth.

And just as an aside (I believe I've mentioned this before) if you go to alt.christnet you'll find the same kind of talk -- just aimed at us by them.

I think the point is that if you turn off the sound (so to speak) theists don't have any kind of moral high ground in terms of their behaviour -- which makes their preaching all the more irritating.
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the only difference between a religion and a cult is the number of people brainwashed.

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Ahhhh yes religion...created by an imperfect being...the human...
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For those theists who wonder why we are so worked up about religion, here's a reference Stephen Hawking is like the Taliban to some of the stupid things that theists say. So here we have a guy in a wheelchair who can barely talk being compared to a group that blows up people because of the 'crime' of being critical of religion. Yeah, that's credible. Not. We non-theists may be highly critical of theists and theist behaviour, but at least we limit our comments to the realm of actual theist behaviour. But the type of over-the-top total-loonie-toon commentary illustrated in this article shows very clearly that theists don't believe there are any limits at all on what they can say. So the next time you feel like complaining that we're too hard on you, save it.
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And the tax breaks.
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Lady Greenfield said: “Science can often suffer from a certain smugness and complacency. Michael Faraday, one of the greatest scientists, had a wonderful quote, he said: ‘There’s nothing quite as frightening as someone who knows they are right’

Uh.... I think theists take the cake over scientists any day of the week when it comes to smugness and knowing they are right.
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Lady Greenfield said: “Science can often suffer from a certain smugness and complacency. Michael Faraday, one of the greatest scientists, had a wonderful quote, he said: ‘There’s nothing quite as frightening as someone who knows they are right’

Uh.... I think theists take the cake over scientists any day of the week when it comes to smugness and knowing they are right.
Yeah, I get a big kick out of people who will quote something like this, completely oblivious to the fact that it's pointing straight back at them. Theists are the ultimate example of this -- they claim to have total knowledge with total certainty, based on zero evidence, no facts, and total contempt for the idea of testing their beliefs.

Now, in fairness, humanists are people too, and less than perfect. It's been said that science advances one funeral at a time. But it *does* advance, because there's no percentage in science in going with the flow.
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Interesting study / survey as wells as the comments here.

Whoever thinks religion is the "opium" of the masses is a little behind the times - imo that was true of 16 century (bible became available) to about the 19 century (decline of western civilization). When was the last war conducted in the name of religion ? (another oxymoron). it is quite obvious the internet and entertainment is the "official opium".

A really good place to start would be to define "religion" and then define "GOD". If you permit - i'll take a my best educated guess without conducting a google search.

religion - man/men whether it be a individual or a group that shares a common race/heritage. It is their interpretation of what GOD is really like and what He is like.

GOD - for lack of better words and simply put...... "GOD just is". He exists and "just is" and is quite independent of religion. For example - God is a not religious nor demands religion

While the study mentioned clearly shows the deficiency with "religion" - it does nothing to address God or the character of God.
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Interesting study / survey as wells as the comments here.

Whoever thinks religion is the "opium" of the masses is a little behind the times - imo that was true of 16 century (bible became available) to about the 19 century (decline of western civilization). When was the last war conducted in the name of religion ? (another oxymoron). it is quite obvious the internet and entertainment is the "official opium".
Yes. I too find this meatloaf to be shallow and pedantic.
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A really good place to start would be to define "religion" and then define "GOD". If you permit - i'll take a my best educated guess without conducting a google search.
That's an awful place to start unless you're starting another thread. This study does not concern the colloquial definition of religion, nor god. Nor does it concern your personal definition of religion and god. It merely correlates general knowledge of fairy tales with one's own self-appraised tendency to believe in said fairy tales.

But at any rate, having given your personal definition of religion and defined god as a sentence fragment, note that nothing about the study's results can be objectively reinterpreted. Thus, moot point.
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While the study mentioned clearly shows the deficiency with "religion" - it does nothing to address God or the character of God.
Yes. No shit. Nor does it try. Hence why defining god and religion is useless in this context. It is beyond the scope of this study.
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Hence why defining god and religion is useless in this context. It is beyond the scope of this study.
Is that your opinion or the authors ? What do you know about the study to offer that opinion ? Unless you are a author or helped design/conduct the study - your opinion is invalid.

I would speculate you know nothing about the study or how it was conducted.
I'll be nice and "play along" - how about that ?

If what your saying is true.
Then that raises the following questions:
- what is the context of the study ?
- What are the endpoints ?
- Who is the population ?
- How is the population selected ?
- How large is the population ?
- Who designed the study ?
- Who funded the study ?

Chances are I could probably come up with a couple more but I think that will suffice for the moment.

Btw, as usual you missed the major point. I believe religion was in context of the study since it mentioned 4 religions in the questions where as God (characteristics) were not. With that being said, the emphasis was obviously on religion and therefore biased.

And since you did, I will do my best to explain it one more time. Btw, please forgive me for my fragmented sentences as I didnt realize you and this web forums was at the dissertation level. (btw, this is when you come back with a really stupid comeback).

There is a quite a bit of difference between religion and God. God has and is and always existed outside of religion (think past, present, and future). Of if this helps, it is fine to make a distinction between religon and state. However, not God since "He is" (de facto).
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