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NPR head says analyst was dropped for repeatedly crossing into opinion - CNN.com

5 seconds after i read the article I know fox was going to swoop up this guy.
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He's been on Fox for the past 10 years. Nothing new there beside the fact he got a big fact contract with Fox after this happened.
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Williams responded with a comment posted on FoxNews.com that called his dismissal "a chilling assault on free speech" and...
Pretty sure the teacher in Edmonton that was teaching Holocaust Denialism also claimed that his dismissal was an assault on free speech. I wonder sometimes if these people are that stupid, or if they just believe we're that stupid.


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Free speech laws in the US and Canada are slightly different. We have a caveat "...subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society..." which would mean it is illegal to incite hatred against an identifiable group (CC.319) or publish false information (as in the Zundel calse). This does place reasonable limits on free speech.

If I am not mistaken, the US does not have such caveats in place. Someone can corect me if I am wrong.


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Yes, but the basic issue here is the difference between your freedom of speech as a private individual and your responsibilities as an employee. As an individual you may be allowed to believe that the holocaust is a myth, and subject to hate laws may be able to say as much; but as a teacher you are required to teach what the school system tells you to teach. If you don't like that, you are free to seek other employment.

Ditto with this guy. As an employee he is expected to conform to certain rules and policies, and his freedom of speech as an individual does not override that. He is of course free to claim otherwise, and I am free to laugh at him.


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If I am not mistaken, the US does not have such caveats in place. Someone can corect me if I am wrong.
"Clear and present danger." caveat.

Otherwise, welcome to America, that's just the way we operate. It's got its pros and cons, just like any other system.

Nobody's telling him to shut up or threatening to prosecute, he just lost his job. And on the same token, he's got nothing on NPR for firing him.

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Free speech is one thing, but don't expect your employer to let you say whatever you want while you are in their employ. If you want a job where you can say things like, "Sitting next to Muslims on an airplane makes me nervous" then broadcasting probably isn't in your best interest. (Unless you're with Fox and you have an OpEd show)

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Donutz, MonkeySpunk, you guys are both correct. Even in Canada, you can say whatever the heck you want (new Nazi groups are allowed to demonstrate, as are all hate groups), but you can't say such things from a position of influence (news, school, university lectures etc.). Coulter was warned about some of her language when she came here.

So there are differences, and I'm not saying that one is better than the other.


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