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InfiniteEclipse 11-04-2010 01:37 PM

What the fu*k has Obama done so far?
 
What the fuck has Obama done so far?

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PaoloSmythe 11-04-2010 01:45 PM

he has also refrained from invading a foreign land at worse, and is yet to offend another head of state at best!:eek:

he has also done nothing to undermine the international perception and reputation of the country he presides over!:thumbsup:

InfiniteEclipse 11-04-2010 02:15 PM

They should have the site setup at every voting booth

Karasene 11-04-2010 02:39 PM

Yes the site does make some valid positive points but there are two sides to every story. For instance Obama may have signed a bill on student loans and heath care coverage to those under the age of 26. Sounds great, however the cost would be the loss of jobs and higher tuitions.

Obama Signs Bill on Student Loans and Health Care - NYTimes.com

"But Sallie Mae said the law would end up costing jobs. The loan company has told news outlets that it may have to eliminate a third of its 8,500 jobs nationwide."

"The senator said students would be overcharged on their loans with the proceeds used for the health care law. He also said that 31,000 private sector workers would be out of a job and students would be forced to rely on four federal call centers instead of more than 2,000 community and nonprofit lenders."

Donutz 11-04-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Karasene (Post 322897)
Yes the site does make some valid positive points but there are two sides to every story. For instance Obama may have signed a bill on student loans and heath care coverage to those under the age of 26. Sounds great, however the cost would be the loss of jobs and higher tuitions.

I see that kind of objection all the time, in both US and Canadian politics, as if making a decision that has an actual Down Side is a Bad Thing. I think that it's very likely that ANY decision that ANY politician makes (or anyone else for that matter) has pros and cons. The decisions that involve only pros, or that are so one-sided that they're not even worth debating are called "Easy Questions", and they've been decided decades if not centuries ago. Now we're left with what are called "Hard Questions".

Just pointing out the con and sitting back is a sign of a lazy mind. The important thing to ask is: does this decision have positive karma? Does it do more good for more people while doing less harm to less people (because guaranteed someone is going to get the short end of any decision). A decision that saves 1000 lives but costs 10 people a buck is a good one. A decision that saves 1000 people 10 bucks but kills 10 people is a bad one. And so on.

So, on balance, is this decision a good one or a bad one? And why? (Note that I know nothing about this one so I have no opinion on it).

Karasene 11-04-2010 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Donutz (Post 322925)
I see that kind of objection all the time, in both US and Canadian politics, as if making a decision that has an actual Down Side is a Bad Thing. I think that it's very likely that ANY decision that ANY politician makes (or anyone else for that matter) has pros and cons. The decisions that involve only pros, or that are so one-sided that they're not even worth debating are called "Easy Questions", and they've been decided decades if not centuries ago. Now we're left with what are called "Hard Questions".

Just pointing out the con and sitting back is a sign of a lazy mind. The important thing to ask is: does this decision have positive karma? Does it do more good for more people while doing less harm to less people (because guaranteed someone is going to get the short end of any decision). A decision that saves 1000 lives but costs 10 people a buck is a good one. A decision that saves 1000 people 10 bucks but kills 10 people is a bad one. And so on.

So, on balance, is this decision a good one or a bad one? And why? (Note that I know nothing about this one so I have no opinion on it).

I completely agree who you! I was just disappointed to see that the site shows all of Obama's "good doing" rather than showing the cause and effect of each decsion in an unbiased way.

Altho I know that's a lot to ask for.

InfiniteEclipse 11-04-2010 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Karasene (Post 322950)
I completely agree who you! I was just disappointed to see that the site shows all of Obama's "good doing" rather than showing the cause and effect of each decsion in an unbiased way.

Altho I know that's a lot to ask for.

Well as the title of the site suggests, it's a response to all the naysayers claiming he's done nothing while in office, and as mpdsnowman pointed out, people who expect change overnight. Of course I agree with you on the unbiased note, however given the target audience (the "Obama is Muslim" crowd) it probably isn't the best forum to sit and have a levelheaded discussion.

Personally, I too subscribe to Donutz' egalitarian position

Donutz 11-04-2010 06:55 PM

In Canada (or Kanada, as the rabid right likes to call us), we get a close-up-and-personal look at this two-sides issue all the time. Our dollar is not tied to the US buck in any financial way, but the exchange rate is a hot topic of conversation all the time. And when it goes up or down significantly because of (ferinstance) Bank of Canada policy changes, you get this huge wailing. If we're going up compared to the US$, it's bad and it'll destroy the economy because exports will suffer and jobs will be lost. if we're going down compared to the US$, it's bad and it'll destroy the economy because imports will be more expensive and jobs will be lost. You'd think we'd be right out of jobs by now, but no -- it's mostly just noise in the end.

Shocktroop531 11-05-2010 04:09 PM

everybody who thinks that the recession was caused by federal spending (i.e.: the stimulus and the health care bill) needs to look at that link. People have such short memories. They act as if this all just happened overnight. it was the result of decades of bad trickle down and deregulation policies that started with Reagan (you could even go back to Nixon really) and were fostered by every administration since (including Clinton) and culminated in the ultimate corporate recklessness under the Cheney administration.

Obama has been handed such a giant pile of shit. I know people don't want to hear him pass the buck and blame the previous administration but in reality all of this really is their fault. they screwed the pooch so bad it is going to take decades to fix.

AngryHugo 11-05-2010 04:32 PM

Right now, the Dow Jones is at a level approximately what is was 5 years ago (11,400), which is actually pretty good. A lot of economists were projecting it would take up to 10 years to pull out of the recession, so getting back over 10k is pretty significant.


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