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Old 12-22-2010, 09:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I haven't read all of this thread yet and I'm not from the US but we are only a few years behind here in Oz.

In my opinion, there is not much wrong with the system there or here, it is just not being used in the way that it was intended.

The problem is not with big corporations. Companies do not vote. The problem is with voters. People refuse to think for themselves and they refuse to spend time finding the real answers. If you are lazy, someone will come along and tell you a bunch of lies and you won't know until it's too late. That's what happened. Blaming those who try to influence Governments is fruitless. Governments respond to votes, if the voters don't swallow the bullshit then the Governments won't.

People think on a short term basis. They refuse to do the hard yards now for long term stability. It's the same across the world. We all want it now and to hell with later. Well it's later now. We get to pay for 30 years of bad decisions, bad governance, bad regulation, all because the ballot box didn't give a stuff.

These collapses could be avoided if people had the self control to elect the right people and hold them to account. They don't, they vote for the biggest tax cut, the protectionism lobbist, the best talker or whatever. Voters are to blame and they will reap what they sowed everywhere, not just the US.

The solution is for people to get interested. If someone promises you a tax cut, think about where that $ is coming from and whether the country can do without it. You don't need a bigger tv but maybe the country does need the money. Here in Oz we were getting lots of tax cuts but our road network needs billions, energy needs development, health needs help but we got tax cuts and spent it on rubbish from China or wherever.

Don't complain about politicians, we get the politicians that we deserve. We get the politicians that we vote for.

Want to make a difference, make sure that your kids learn how to think for themselves and are less susceptible to lobbying and greed than we have been. It's only about 70 years since the depression but those lessons only lasted one generation. We are back there already.
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Old 12-22-2010, 09:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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the crux of the whole problem with politics in this country is that corporations, particularly the giant ones, have way too much influence over our elections. they basically decide who wins elections by funding campaigns. whoever has th biggest campaign funds wins generally. then the politicians get into office and they owe these companies big time. and they're afraid to turn their back on these corporations because they know they are always worried about winning the next election.

so I think the solution to all of this is publicly funded elections and strict term limits.
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Old 12-22-2010, 09:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I haven't read all of this thread yet and I'm not from the US but we are only a few years behind here in Oz.

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Old 12-22-2010, 09:55 PM   #14 (permalink)
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yes it's part corporations, but it's also part our society. we have an uneducated, misinformed society that values "economics" over all else.
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yes it's part corporations, but it's also part our society. we have an uneducated, misinformed society that values "economics" over all else.
yea. a nation of lemmings that continue to hold a 4th grade mentality where you make fun of and ostracize the smart kids in the class and the loudest dumbest kids are the most popular.
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The corporate form should be eliminated. The purpose of the corporate form is to shield those who profit by corporate activities from personal liability for any wrongdoing by the corporation. In the absence of personal liability for stockholders, stockholders are free to compel corporate decision makers to pursue profits at all costs and that is why corporations lie, pollute, kill, etc. Corporations, as legal fictions, are immortal...unlike people, they (theoretically) can last forever. And unlike (most) people, corporations do not have, and are not even capable of having a conscience. Corporations live forever, have legal rights...including the right to influence political elections...and have one, all-consuming purpose: feeding the greed of their stockholders. It is not enough of a deterrent to risk your investment if the corporation you invest in does wrong...you should be risking the shirt on your back, your home and your personal freedom when you help fund commercial operation. Western democracies have forfeited the majority of the political power of the populace to the soulless, amoral profit-driven legal fictions we call corporations.
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well that's a little simplistic of a definition, but I don't really disagree with you on the morality of corporations.
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Old 12-23-2010, 11:25 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Great reply's, the real difficulty that we face by fixing what is wrong, is that we can hypothetically throw out all the corporations, but if American's still follow the same lazy-ass-convenience-I-NEED-MORE mentality they will end up voting the corporation right back in because that is essentially what the corporations provide.

We have to somehow change the way the average American thinks and lives, and then use that advantage to get the corporations out with their votes.

I'm really afraid that this isn't going to be a possible scenario until things get really ugly, and it comes to the point where either they change their mindset or they die. When you have a population base as complacent as ours, the idea of prevention is never very popular because they are going to have to ultimately do with less, for the good of all.

And let's face it, American culture screams everything except, "For the good of all". I get mine and fuck everyone else, I'm pretty sure is the true face of free-Capitalism.
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We need a new political party that isn't influenced by greed and power. I don't vote because I don't believe either party is really interested in what's best for the country, I get a choice between a crooked liar and a lying crook...some choice. I guess they do throw in the odd ball third wheel candidate from time to time, but that's more of a novelty then anything. Until someone comes up with a "common sense" party I refuse to give a fuck. Let the whole thing go to hell for all I care, in fact I hope it does. I really don't think anything can "fix" what is wrong with our country short of a full scale revolution. The corruption is to deeply entrenched and the average citizen is to stupid and blind to see that they are simple pawns to be manipulated into thinking they actually matter. So go ahead and vote, write your congressman, piss in a bucket and save it.....all about the same thing.
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