HoboMaster

So, what your saying is that we should let our government plot against other countries and hold secret operations in order to "protect" us?

That sounds like why every other country hates us.

As citizens we have no privacy anymore, the government can tap you for whatever they want. Why can't we do the same?

I understand scenario's where Wikileaks is harmful to "innocent" people, but at the same time maybe they deserve it? Seems to me like Wikileaks is a good way to keep people honest, which as we all know is a major factor to why our country is so corrupt: people think they can get away with anything and there is nothing to stop them from getting away with it.

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I'd be fairly content with assange and the rest of the crybabies who contribute to wikileaks shutting the fuck up

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BliND KiNK

Not entirely sure if you're a troll or not... but uhm.. if you read into it, instead of listening to whatever someone else says... -.- Where Julian Assange 'sexual assaulted' the young woman, it was consensual she just wasn't of age, fake id. the country where he was didn't play that shit..

it's been overplayed, he isn't a rapist... I wouldn't even say narcissist... The only thing I have on it... is the political side... of course as far as I'm concerned they can share all of america's secrets... tired of being apart of an evil empire, I want to know too.. I think it's bullshit that the guys with the guns do what they want while we sit around and sheeple it up...

The only reason we would have secrets we wanted to keep, is because we're doing something shady.

EDIT: Don't give me that shit about move out of America, patriotism doesn't at any point regulate itself to sitting around with a beer and a dip in lip shouting " Amurika! Fuck Yeah! ".

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Perpetual3am

The article is completely vague, 100s of people that are thought to be at risk...risk of what? Exposure as spies? For making statements behind closed doors that might undermine something or other? For being huge douches?

At the same time, maybe 15,000 families in Iraq are glad to know that the US did actually keep body counts and might have information on how a loved one died that they never owned up to?

Iraq war logs: UN calls on Obama to investigate human rights abuses | World news | guardian.co.uk

The war was based on lies and deception, and now all those lies are surfacing. It goes both ways.

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cv_fan

If the people have no control over the government, no one does.

However, I do believe Wikileaks should keep their sources secret, at least until some serious changes come about. The recent subpoena against twitter users who subscribe to Wikileaks' account shows that the government of the U.S. will take action against people even vaguely associated with Wikileaks. If the government discovers the sources of information (e.g. Manning) that action could be much more serious than simple, yet still fear-inducing, information gathering.

Link to the twitter subpoena:http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...r/subpoena.pdf

MunkySpunk

And you still sound like the same old broken record.

Now I get to have a cute little picture posted, be told I'm butt hurt, I've hated you from the start, and I'm exhibiting 'classic troll behavior'.
Good thing this is a forum with a text record of everything. Go back and quote tag where I said that and we'll be good. Why does it always have to be black and white? So I'm for Assange being more careful in redactions to protect informants who are trying to pass on info about nuclear weapons programs or terror plots for example...

I guess that means I want to hang him by his toenails, flog him to death, bomb wikileaks, declare war on the world, and eat my neighbor's baby for dinner, huh?

Good point. Those bastard informants trying to keep us in the know about North Korea's nuclear weapons programs deserved to be exposed. Now they'll get what's coming to them - hunted down and tortured to death with the rest of their families. Wikileaks will show them that they'll never get away with that kind of shady activity. We need PUBLIC informants passing us information from North Korea.

Maybe if we dress the informants in bright orange uniforms, give them a facebook page as a member of the group 'Pacific rim spies in North Korea passing along tactical nuclear intel' and launch some fireworks before they gather intel for us then North Korea will see it Assange's way and give the informant top level clearance.

Hell, let's just give those Al-Qaeda informants we have ID cards with the name and address of the person to send the beheading video to once they're dead.

Am I getting black and white enough for you yet?

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Rap News: Wikileaks and the war on journalism


muahahahaha suck it.

EDIT actually watch this one too, it's about cablegate... tells about the government's thought process on the american people, remember this is satire before you shit yourself.

Rap News-Cablegate vs. Wikileaks

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nzboardlife

You don't have to go blow it out of proportion to get your point across but i don't think you get one of the lesser points of wikileaks that the idea is that you no longer have spies. I disagree with the base idea of your post, America doesn't deserve information about North Korea. What gives your country the right to spy on another? America needs to stop clawing at control of all and focus on its own people.

MunkySpunk

I tried explaining it several times across several threads, but there's no middle ground with some people on this forum - if you're not in 100% agreement, then everyone automatically thinks you're in 100% disagreement.

Don't tell me I'm blowing it out of proportion when everyone in the topic is throwing shit at the fan. If everyone else is dealing in black and white extremes here and not allowing room for shades of grey, I might as well join in. If I think Assange should be more careful in redactions and such thought gets likened to an all-out support of covert wars, hegemony, the republican agenda, rendition, and POW torture.... Well, what's good for the goose.

What gives North Korea the right to starve their citizens for a few extra guns, sink South Korean ships, shell South Korean civilians, torture and execute the families of defectors completely unchallenged? What gives you the right to tell the defectors and deep cover Korean spies that they themselves have no right to put an end to the horror?

What gives Al-Qaeda the right to beat women who go out alone in public and actively pursue WMDs with the expressed intent of using them completely unchallenged?

What makes you so sure that no government has any right to protect their own country by more than just whining to the toothless UN and that the ideal thing to do is just sit there and wait for the bad shit to happen?

What gives you the right to tell the U.S. that they can't gather intel on Al-Qaeda's attempt to get a nuclear weapon?

And before I get told I'm calling for Assange's execution and the continuation of an indiscriminant covert war: There are good AND bads things going on covertly in this world. White-washing the whole wikileaks affair and calling it a godsend is just as dismissive of the people tortured by Mugabe as black-washing the whole wikileaks affair as evil and dismissing the people tortured in Abu Graib.

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