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post #11 of 30 (permalink) Old 01-11-2011, 09:55 PM
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about how one family kicked their daughter out after she began questioning the church.
That will turn out to be the best thing that ever happens to her, as painful as it likely was at the time.


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I don't like these people and I think what they are doing is wrong, however it is very hypocritical to call them out and then say that you believe in free speech...

You guys know me and if you take a step back from the religious point of view... here i'll break it down.

(the problem) - religion - military deaths for your freedom - death in general = this scenario.

Guy protests a hotdog stand... stands right next to the guy all day and says negative things about this stand.. the food sucks, he uses rat meat etc.... Now, the guy is being a dick... and for all we know it's for no reason maybe the fucking hotdog he bought tasted like shit..

Regardless, it is within his free speech to do that as much as he wants.

What these people do: is disrespectful, yes. is condescending to their own religion, yes. is politically correct, no.

But to say, these guys can't do that is to say well... the freedom of speech applies to us but not you assholes because you're being dicks with the right...

meh...


EDIT: You all know me, I'm not trolling - I'm just saying my thoughts on it but for the record... yes those people are assholes, yes they deserve to get flogged, and yes they are exercising their constitutional right to tell you, you can't do a fucking thing about it.

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Free speech until it violates other peoples rights. The guy has a right to protest my hot dog stand. I have 100s of satisfied customers...and have passed all health department requirements and have all permits to be in location. I have earned the right to operate my business without being interfered with. Protester can exercise his free speech across street not standing next to me harassing me and my customers.


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I don't like these people and I think what they are doing is wrong, however it is very hypocritical to call them out and then say that you believe in free speech...
It's a relevant comment. But when talking about your rights (any rights), you have to remember three things: 1) Just because they're rights, doesn't mean they're unlimited, and 2) You are responsible for the results of exercising your rights, and 3) your rights extend until they start interfering with other people's rights, i.e. "Your right to swing your fist ends where my face begins".

It's pretty normal for people to call stuff on a case-by-case basis. Everyone does it, and yeah, it tends to be inconsistent. That's why we have laws and a theoretically disinterested justice system.

If your dissatisfied hot dog customer exercises his right to scream hysterically about my rat-dogs, er, hot-dogs and starts affecting my business, I have a legal right to sue him, get a restraining order, have him arrested (if he's over the top enough), etc.

But you also have to remember that if you are aggressive enough with your screaming, it actually begins to count as assault. You don't have to actually touch someone to be guilty of assault -- just leaning over them waving your fists and screaming in their face is enough to get you arrested, charged, and convicted. That's why there's Assault AND BATTERY.


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it'll still happen, just 300 feet away from the funeral hopefully.

We passed this in Maine awhile ago I believe. You can picket all you want, but you've got to give funerals a 300-500 foot berth.

And for a breath of fresh air, the Patriot Guard Riders are a group of motorcyclist enthusiasts who follow these shitheads around and make a human barrier between the crazies and the funeral.
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I think it would be just as effective to get say 50k people out there, and jsut stand and stare at them. not say a single word.

let them know how they really stack up.


also claiming that a hotdog stand is selling rat meat would be slander and that is not protected by "free speech"
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I was honestly curious how many of you would quote the ratdogs... hehehe... but seriously these people suck... went to their site the other day... and I doubt you'd be prosecuted hard if you assassinated them :\

it even says on their website they are an enemy to 'america'

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it even says on their website they are an enemy to 'america'
they have another website called godhatesamerica.com --- just putting that out there :O but it's not opening either for some reason... if you look it up on google you can see it says:
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Site affiliated with Godhatesfags.com records debate between anti-gay activist Fred W. Phelps, Sr., with Harvard-trained theologian John Rankin on the ...
EDIT*** idk why that says code :O
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if you can't get to their sites someone is probably ddosing them. serves them right.
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What I've always wondered about is, don't the westboro nutcases see the irony of deriding the military when its been a huge component of why the US actually has a democracy and free speech, thus enabling them to go about their business of being huge douches?

Or why I try to rationalize what crazy people do?

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