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Old 03-06-2011, 10:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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another rolling stone article. this one by Michael Hastings (also a great investigative reporter). he's the same guy who profiled Gen. McChrystal in the article that got him fired as boss of the Afghanistan war. this article is like a follow up. and while I don't have many comments to make on Patreaus himself (he seems at least somewhat honorable from my take), I do think this article merits discussion and reading because it shows just exactly how fucked up our war(s) are being conducted. There is no real plan and we are aligned with the biggest scumbags in the world. the people we align ourselves with are likely just as evil as al queda and the taliban themselves (both former allies of ours by the way).

my biggest beef with this is that we can pour endless billions and trillions into wars that have absolutely no bearing on American life. pointless shitholes that we should have nothing to do with. yet they try to tell us that we don't have enough money for medicare, social security, and public pensions. bull fucking shit. end these wars now if we have no money. where are the tea partiers , with the endless love for fiscal restraint, on these issues?
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link?

and you're right of course. we're letting the military industrial complex bankrupt the country, and instead of cutting back on it, we'll let the poor people starve first.
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Oh and we are going to Lybia..A friend of mine is about to leave with his unit.
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Oi.

We can't keep our noses out of everyones business. And it always comes back to bite us. We helped arm the Afghans against the Soviets. Duuuhhhh.

It all goes back to that money thing. Protecting our resources (ie: oil). Big oil is bad fucking news.

Aside from that, I think it's particularly sad that these kids aren't even sure what they are fighting for. Or, they've been fed some bullshit, and a lot of them aren't intelligent enough to seek out the truth.

For example... I went to HS with this guy who joined the Navy. Recently, in a stupid Facebook discussion, he told my friend that he got a tattoo on his body in arabic that means "infidel". Forget the fact that the tattoo actually means kafir, which doesn't quite translate to infidel, and forget the fact that it's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. He told her that "it's the word terrorists use to refer to westerners." I dropped in on their conversation just to clarify that it isn't the word terrorists use to refer to westerners, and then I kindly defined the word and explained the origins of it, blah blah (Yes, I'm that asshole).

So he got offended and said something about not having gone to college, and I told him that non-biased information is available to anyone regardless of whether or not you go to college. That prompted this kid to go flying off on a rant about respecting the military and how I should do his job for a day, and some shit about terrorists beheading people, and a whole load of crap that sounds like it came out of a propaganda ad. I stopped reading his rant when he started talking about Americans forgetting why we're in this war, and 9/11 blah blah. And this is coming from a dude who hasn't even been deployed.


I understand serving your country. I do. But I don't understand willingly signing up to fight in a war that you have no idea what it's purpose is. How do we know when we're done in Afghanistan? When Bin Laden is dead? He's probably already dead. Then what? When ALL the terrorists are dead? It's just ridiculous.

And the Tea Party are just as brainwashed. They keep going on about retributions for 9/11. That was ten fucking years ago. We haven't found the man we assumed was responsible. What the fuck are we still doing there? Never mind sticking our dick in Iraq for reasons unknown.

What's more concerning is the fact that the American people just go along with it. I suppose it's like the German people during WWII. You don't know any better if your government is trying to control the media and only feeding you the shit it wants you to believe.
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oops. sorry no link to the article.

here it is:

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A lot of kids (not all) who sign up for the military do so not solely out of patriotism, but because the military offers them economic and social opportunities they do not have at home. Many are not necessarily signing up to fight in a war they don't understand, but trying to fight poverty and limited social advancement they understand all too well. The military then does a pretty successful job at turning the majority of them into loyal company men and women. Maybe this is an unintended consequence of the all volunteer force. Maybe a universal draft would bring about a lot more political pressure to think carefully before committing to hostilities.
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A lot of kids (not all) who sign up for the military do so not solely out of patriotism, but because the military offers them economic and social opportunities they do not have at home. Many are not necessarily signing up to fight in a war they don't understand, but trying to fight poverty and limited social advancement they understand all too well. The military then does a pretty successful job at turning the majority of them into loyal company men and women. Maybe this is an unintended consequence of the all volunteer force. Maybe a universal draft would bring about a lot more political pressure to think carefully before committing to hostilities.
That's the saddest shit. When these kids come back from the middle east, they can't function for all the horrific shit they saw.

It's all propaganda. Look at all the commercials for the military. They never show kids getting their legs blown off. Or guys coming home and not being able to sleep again for fear of being attacked while they slumber.

It has nothing to do with the way the army is compiled. Our government needs to stop using our young men to wage war on the world. I think if a President wants to declare war, he should be the first to touch ground wherever he feels military presence is necessary. It's too easy to say, "Go to war!" from behind a desk, nestled safe in the White House, and have thousands of young men go get killed for your gripes.
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I sure Hope Ron Paul runs in 2012 because he was the only freaking candidate back in 2008 serious enough about bringing the troops home now and ending this stupid war! this shit would have ended a long time ago and our economy would have been on the road to recovery had Ron Paul gotten into office. He predicted everything that has now happened to our economy, back in the campains of 2008 and everybody just laghed at him! And look where we are now, exacly where he said we would be. Yes he was running as a republican, but he has mainly a Libertarian background and just ran as a republican so he could stand at least half a chance of getting in. I agree with most of you guys on this topic, I just wish more people would have had the smarts to recognise where this country was headed back when all this crap started.....
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It doesn't matter, history has shown that as soon as things pick up, the US will find another completely pointless war to get involved in, while filling the pockets of the defense industry and society's elite. Ron Paul can't change a century of history no matter how much of a superman you think he is. Just like every other President, he would cower to the military industrial complex that has a strangle hold on the US.
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You have no idea....
I was riding with a friend that has been in service in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lybia in a month. He listens to Glenn Beck because " He tells you not to believe him, but to check things". At wich point the discussion had a pause, I thought about a different topic, cranked the music and kept on driving.


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The poor kids joining the military get brainwashed with a bunch of patriotic bullshit and don`t have a fucking clue that they are all nothing bu disposable cannon fodder for the oil companies...
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