So... Libya.... Got a bit of oil have they?
 

Bush Lite:

More Republicans doubt Obama's Libya action | Reuters

I agree with Kucinich. We should have given this to congress even as the tanks were rolling into Benghazi's central square. That way, congress could have rapidly come to some sort of consensus without all that time consuming political maneuvering and jockeying that other less-effective branches of the government are plagued with.

Because, like Kucinich, when I want something done fast, cheap, and correctly, the first thing I think is 'Why don't we leave this in the hands of congress? What could go wrong?'

I wonder what the citizens of the countries who rammed this through the UN and spearheaded this attack think of their own leaders now.

due process and a considered approach are so over rated... especially when war time is a wasting!:rolleyes:

thank gawd the EU can finally justify the Eurobomber's / Typhoon's budget though!:laugh:

And this is exactly why Canadian planes are involved, to cement the F35 deal.

It seems both the US and Canada at least aren't exactly sure why we are getting involved with military action, personally i think that should be made that clear at the outset to avoid situations like a long term occupation of ground forces. (Which seems inevitable)

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No.

Frankly I don't think it is honest to compare a full fledged invasion of a country (based on a lie sold to the rest of the world) and a war that still rages after 10 years, with the enforcement of a no-fly zone (under NATO mandate) without boots on the ground.
Saddam was not killing his own people hiring cut-throats from Angola. Gaddafi is.

On the other hand Gaddafi's only mistake was to use planes and heavy weapons. He should have used machetes, no one would have bothered..like no one bothered for Darfur...or as Paolo points out for Palestine.
But why you criticize now when they do something? )

Besides that..you would seriously have let Gaddafi slaughter everyone? WHy? The man has been insane for decades. In South Italy (I was born in ROme) there a constant stream of refugees escaping Lybia and wrecking their boats on our (Italian) shores so that they have to be rescued, then they ask asylum.
He even shot a couple of SCUDS our way (Italy) in '86..they landed in the sea, near the island of Ustica. The target was a coast guard base.

What REALLY pisses me off of Obama is Guantanamo, and the habeus corpus issue..that is a real shame.
But fuck Gaddafi...really.

I think that explains a lot of the rush for the European countries (if I recall correctly, quite a few have ties with the industry there). I'm not sure how much of a connection we have (besides one we could create if we put boots on the ground).

To be completely honest, if we manage to keep our own ground soldiers uninvolved (probably not... we already have a troop transport in the area), I could see this being a much better situation than Iraq or Afghanistan. There's a legitimate revolution occurring that we should have helped earlier to back it up this time. Just keep our soldiers out of there.

My friend, Republicans are not angry, they are rejoicing! This is a wonderful tool (for them) to use to get a Rep back in the White House. They would've done the same, apart from the Congressional route. We're going to hear some of the most hypocritical bullshit ever next election debate from their side about this conflict, and the Amerikan people are going to buy it hook line and sinker.

One thing though, I don't care how much Kucinich blabbers on and on about, I live in Ohio and can tell you this guy is one of the most utterly pathetic politicians there are. He has called for impeachment more than once, and not just against this president. Don't give his opinion any more credit that bush, palin, or tea baggers.

This is for lulz...

Rep. Dennis Kucinich sues cafeteria over olive pit in sandwich | cleveland.com

But yeah, watch every Republican take his wonderfully thought out advice, after he called for Bush's impeachment last time around.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/24/wo...mc=rss&src=igw

My only question is, 'Why?'

Pull the USS Mount Whitney out, let the 'coalition' fall apart, and let the Europeans have the war they pushed so hard to have. Then we can do exactly what they do: Point and laugh when it all goes to pot, and bitch that we aren't getting the lucrative oil contracts now that someone else's military has done all the hard work (even as we continually criticize).

If nothing else good comes of this, at least I can laugh the next time a Euro (or mini-American) tells me that all my country cares about is using force to protect the oil. :laugh:

I'm sure the world will understand, we just need to explain to them that Libya has oil. That way when a Libyan sniper puts a bullet through the head of, let's say for argument's sake, western-educated free-radio anti-Gadaffi Libyan broadcaster who's become a major symbol of the resistance, we can just throw our hands up and say 'Sorry, we could have helped, but people don't think we should help countries who have oil. Sad to say, all you rebels and your families are as good as dead.' :dunno:

Flexibility. You draw a line for each individual case. It sucks, but it's the only way.

To draw yet another 'Do not cross' line without regard to circumstance is just as bad as drawing any other 'Do not cross' line - you're just setting yourself up to cross it again.

Folks can't say for a second that if Obama had brought this before congress it would have passed on time to do any good. We'd have ALL sorts of congressmen using it for cheap political points. Boehner would be up at his pulpit crying again, Palin would be telling us she can see Libya from her house. Bachmann would be telling us that we shouldn't be bombing a country in Australia because they came to America's aid during the reign of Charlemagne (and her people would believe her). And they'd ALL be bitching about the cost of a drop in the bucket even as they refuse to address entitlements because that may cost them votes.

Ugly picture. Especially when such tyrant(s) can pick and choose who is worthy of protection. Of course...who can pay..or can be robbed.

On the other hand you cannot really be seriously supporting the idea of just letting an army of mercenary kill everybody without moving a finger.

As for Obama he did nothing wrong...this is no war or invasion...consider it a rescue...with Tomahawks. One million a shot.
But then if you consider that only the Afghan campaign runs at 2 billion a WEEK...