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Old 05-31-2011, 04:14 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Sucks to be them. The cop was trying to get the guy with his hands up behind his back but he was stiff in the arms and the cop couldn't do it. I think the tackle/slam was easier punishment than being tazered or pepper sprayed, both of which would be much more painful than a bump on the hip.
Yup. I agree. I addressed that guy's actions. The choke was a little overkill though. Slam was enough.
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that is extremely fucked up shit, what we can do is just spread the word as you did and not let this go. i just emailed it around and posted on facebook, the cops being so retarded really got to me...
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civil disobedience at it's finest.
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that is extremely fucked up shit, what we can do is just spread the word as you did and not let this go. i just emailed it around and posted on facebook, the cops being so retarded really got to me...
Way to be a sheep. Did you actually watch the entire thing or even READ what we've said here?

The "slam" wasn't hard at all. He took him a few inches off of his feet and brought him down. The guy has probably flopped on to his couch harder. The guy had been under arrest for a while at that point. The choke was a controlling move. Notice his face doesn't turn bright red? That tells you he clearly wasn't being choked. The cop had his hands around the guy's neck to assert dominance and drive the point "dude you're under arrest quit fucking around" home.

Like I said, I'm usually against the cops but I also keep a rational mind so I can examine what I see and make a rational and thoughtful judgement. You on the other hand read a sensationalist headline and decided the author had done all the thinking for you. Sheep like you are why we're stuck with the shitty government we have now.

Freedom is not the ability to pick who should do your thinking for you. Freedom is the ability to examine something with your own mind and make a rational decision based on that analysis.
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I wasn't trying to be a sheep with this. I did watch the entire video, however I didn't read the other posts. It was more so the principal that the cop used excessive force, don't forget he choked a man already on the ground. He could breath, but this is still an excessive use of force. I don't care about the police officer doing their job as much as I care about the loss of freedoms and violations of freedom of the press in the video as the cameraman is thrown out.

You still make a valid point though about freedom, I couldn't agree more.
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"this is america, we can dance in a public place!"
and i could go dance at your dead grandmother's funeral, but i don't. even if i did, i would at least try to dance well.

police gave them more than ample warning, and they still acted like morons.


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Those people were/are idiots, I agree with Snowolf, it creates an escalation of the "us"vs. "them" mindset that is fucking things up for everyone else.

Prime example: We went camping a couple weeks ago at a local lake (keep in mind drinking is legal at the lakes here, just changed had been illegal for almost 20 years) We were camped next to group of 20somethings, and about 4pm a sheriffs cruiser pulls through real slow. We were the only 2 groups in the area, cop rolls right by us and stops by the group of kids, understandable, he checking id's. These kids wern't causing any problems at all, the 3 guys were fishing, and the 3 girls were just hanging out on the sand. Anyway, they started walking towards the parking lot, guys pulling thier wallets out, 2 girls digging in thier handbags and 1 girl had to get into her tent to get her wallet. The cop starts freaking out, yelling for her to get out of the tent. Started reaching for his gun as she was getting out, the poor girl was so flustered she kind of stumbled getting out of the tent. Cop grabs her, spun her around and slapped the cuffs on her then hauled her off to detox.

I watched the whole thing in disbelief. I guess maybe she should have went to the parking lot first and told the officer her id was in her tent. Still WTF, when you are doing nothing wrong you never really think of things like that, was just natural for her to go get her id when asked for it. that cop was so fucking paranoid, what did he think, a skinny little blond girl was gonna grab her gat and come out blazing?? Wish I had video of that, the d-bags in the vid had it coming and were looking for trouble, the young girl on the beach having beers with friends was not!! (and yes they were all over 21) I went over and talked to them, they were all bummed, didn't know anyone to call to sign her out of detox. I called one of my buddy's that was heading out anyway to stop, sign her out and give her a ride back out.
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It doesn't matter what their "intention" is. What matters is if they violated some local ordinance or statute. There isn't a statute or ordinance against "dancing" but rather against disruption or organized protest, and it's not statute, it's precedent. I cannot cite the docket that is applicable because I haven't been able to find it.

The problem is that it doesn't appear their behavior is disruptive whatsoever. It isn't damaging the memorial or impeding people's ability to use the building. So what exactly should they be arrested for? The fact that they are choosing to excercise a right purely for its own sake is irrelevant. The entire thing is dubious at best.
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It doesn't matter what their "intention" is. What matters is if they violated some local ordinance or statute. There isn't a statute or ordinance against "dancing" but rather against disruption or organized protest, and it's not statute, it's precedent. I cannot cite the docket that is applicable because I haven't been able to find it.

The problem is that it doesn't appear their behavior is disruptive whatsoever. It isn't damaging the memorial or impeding people's ability to use the building. So what exactly should they be arrested for? The fact that they are choosing to excercise a right purely for its own sake is irrelevant. The entire thing is dubious at best.
Actually, as a DC resident I can tell you there is an ordinance against public performances at certain landmarks. Which is exactly what this group was doing (with the intention of forcing a confrontation with DC park PD so they could make a viral "mah rights been abused!" video).

They could have gotten permission in advance (east to do), stopped when they were told to, or stopped when the officer tried to tell them "hey it's just a citation but I can't cite you if you live xxx miles away. I have to arrest you. Please stop".
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