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Old 11-12-2011, 01:31 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm in favor of this guy getting charged and found guilty. While I feel for him in such a loss, he definitely should have the responsibility that they were adequately prepared. I know it may seem the law is reaching into a matter that should be personal responsibility, but as the one with more experience and knowledge, he should have ensured the packs were on. I also feel like its making a statement with this guy. It serves a warning to future people who are going out to the BC.
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It is clear you are from the EC, and have never been in the BC before. Even if they were beeping the guy might not have found his wife. So the guy has to grieve for his wife and face criminal charges? Hell even the best in avalanche predictions get caught and die. Several years ago Alaska top avalanche guy was killed in a slide. It happens and it sucks, but it is part of the assumed risk you take when you go out of bounds.

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I'm in favor of this guy getting charged and found guilty. While I feel for him in such a loss, he definitely should have the responsibility that they were adequately prepared. I know it may seem the law is reaching into a matter that should be personal responsibility, but as the one with more experience and knowledge, he should have ensured the packs were on. I also feel like its making a statement with this guy. It serves a warning to future people who are going out to the BC.
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I'm in favor of this guy getting charged and found guilty. While I feel for him in such a loss, he definitely should have the responsibility that they were adequately prepared. I know it may seem the law is reaching into a matter that should be personal responsibility, but as the one with more experience and knowledge, he should have ensured the packs were on. I also feel like its making a statement with this guy. It serves a warning to future people who are going out to the BC.
you are a fucking idiot. take some responsibility for your actions.





.... and never go into the backcountry
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It is clear you are from the EC, and have never been in the BC before. Even if they were beeping the guy might not have found his wife. So the guy has to grieve for his wife and face criminal charges? Hell even the best in avalanche predictions get caught and die. Several years ago Alaska top avalanche guy was killed in a slide. It happens and it sucks, but it is part of the assumed risk you take when you go out of bounds.
Yes I'm from the EC. I'm not saying there's no risk involved, one shouldn't take risks, or that if the pack was activated its all fine and dandy. I'm saying if he at least should have taken the necessary precautions. What about wasting the time of the rescue team for having to search so extensively when they could have found the body a lot sooner.
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you are a fucking idiot. take some responsibility for your actions.





.... and never go into the backcountry
Right, he should take responsibility for needlessly wasting the time of the rescue team because he couldn't be responsible enough to check if the pack was on.

And fyi, I do plan to go to the BC eventually. But when I do I'll make sure I take the necessary precautions such as having the right gear and having certain gear turned ON.
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you are an idiot and you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Ok, keep up the simplistic name calling if that suits you.
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:53 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Hey guys let's tone down the attacks, what ever your feelings are.

Avalanche professionals have been following this one fairly closely as it does set what could be a scary precedent. The most basic being that you could be facing criminal charges because you went out into the wilderness without a piece of gear that some official somewhere decided was and absolute requirement and without it you are behaving criminally. Not digging that vibe at all. The next thing is people who have gone the extra length, like myself, could be held to an even higher standard. Being made responsible for possibly others bad decisions. Just because of the fact that I have been trained in avalanche education. Not digging that one either.

In all, when you go out there it should be up to the party. Those with good sense should take the avalanche education courses, have the gear, and use their brain. Those who choose not to will eventually pay the price, like in this situation. Nothing criminal about it imo. She was just as aware as he was of the dangers. They both chose to make bad decisions.
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I understand what dtshakuras is trying to say but I do not agree at all. One could make a (very weak) case that failure to activate the transceiver indicates negligence in terms of making safe decisions in a back country environment but that's tenuous at best. It certainly, in no way indicates malicious negligence.

Without knowing exactly what actions and decisions he took, there is no way we can assume he acted negligently just because one action he took was negligent, an action which didn't really impact the overall outcome.

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This thought provides some insight as to my hesitation to implement regulatory measures in other aspects of our world.
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Then I might suggest stamp collecting is more suited to you. People enjoy skiing and snowboarding because there is risk. Those of us who climb mountains ( Mt. Hood 3, Mt. Adams 2 ) and ride back country do so partly because the increased risk and the challenge to overcome those risks gives us a fence of accomplishment that some city dwelling flat lander will never experience or understand. Too often, well intentioned but ignorant people attempt to "bubble wrap" society "for their own good" and when people don't take their "sage wisdom" they become little fascists about it and try to use the courts to force people to their will.

Anytime a tragic accident occurs to a climber or back country rider it is always people who have no understanding of the sport who are always the first to call for prosecution and more restrictive regulation. These are the people who crawl out of the wood work like cock roaches everytime a skier or rider is injured, calling for helmet laws and banning terrain parks. In most cases, its later determined that the injuries sustained were non head injury but the do gooders never come back and say they got it wrong. It is always those who know the least who scream the loudest.



This is Monday morning Quarterbacking from someone who obviously knows nothing about the subject. It's not a pack that is activated, it is a transceiver and it is worn under your jacket. Having it on and in a pack is far worse than not using it. If it's in a pack, the pack usually gets ripped off of the victim so now you have searchers spending precious time looking for a pack. The fact that you are so focussed on the beacon clearly indicates your acute lack of knowledge on the subject. Your beacon is always your last line of defense and it is good avalanche awareness and decision making that is important.

It's all fine for you to make these proclamations but we don't know the details. It is entirely possible they determined the risk was low enough to not need their beacons or perhaps they were heading to an area where the planned on using them but failed to recognize they were in a dangerous spot. You can't make these statements without all of the facts.

I won't trash you out of hand as others but I think you need to think before posting. Shredlife and I live in the same area and ride the same back country and we both have seen far too many ignorant people from out of the area come in with similar attitudes and ruin things for people here based on misinformation. While I dint condone the attack, I fully empathize with the passion. Who are you to judge what two adults do? They both were aware of the risks and made a decision that turned out bad. It happens all the time in every activity of life; now you want to criminalize it?
Might as well lock everyone up then.

Killclimbz speaks about something is of grave concern and that is the setting of precedent. I take less experienced climbers with me to summit Hood. Despite my best preparation and judgement, someone could still slip and fall or could get hit by falling ice and rock. As the more experienced climber I would would be a criminal in your world. No sane person would ever be a group leader of any activity again for fear of Big Brother. The net result is even more accidents from more inexperienced people out there without any guidance. But in your Orwellian world we could just make everything illegal.

What about instructors? So I take a client who by all indications is ready to work on off piste riding and has hired me to take them into our double black diamond steep terrain where there are trees and cliffs. This person seems to be doing well until for some reason they loose control and fall then slam into a tree and die. In your world, I have thousands of flat land city dwellers trying to throw me into the prison that baby rapers and serial killers sit? Might as well close every resort and ski school now because you find anyone dumb enough to risk all that for a $10 an hour job!
First, I'm aware of the difference of a transceiver, pack, etc and sorry if I was too generalizing and not specifically refer to the transceiver.

Second, this is happening in Austria and the article states this case would have no legal standing in the US nor would it influence our legal system in any way. So my views on this case doesn't pertain to me supporting any of that here for a variety of reasons and one being that our legal system and society is different here. So to clarify, I'm not part of those people that you said try to influence the way things are out where you live and shred, nor do I support illegalizing stuff here and there in the US. I only stated my support for this unique case on what went on over there.
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