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Old 11-15-2011, 12:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I vote for the person I believe will do the best job at any position. Playing the party game is what's bringing this country to its knees.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Well, Republicans are different from Democrats. How so? Let us count the ways.

They have more money.2
They have more friends.3
They are more religious.4
They are healthier.5
They are more likely to be married.6
They like their communities better.7
They like their jobs more.8
They are more satisfied with their family life.9
They like the weather better.10
They have fewer financial worries.11
They're more likely to see themselves doing better in life than their parents did.12
They're more likely to feel that individuals - rather than outside forces - control their own success or failure.13
They have more of what they most value in life. (No, it's not money).14
All of these differences are associated with the partisan happiness gap and reasons to vote Republican

I found this on the internet, so it has to be true...How ironic considering the internet was invented by Al Gore...
There is no reason to vote republican, unless you're greedy.

They have more money, because they're sociopaths obsessed with controlling everything.
They have more friends, because they pick up the tab.
They're more religious, because protecting their wealth is the new religion.
They're healthier, because god damn, that shit is expensive.
They're more likely to be married, because once that bitch has her hooks in she's not going anywhere without a bounty.
They have better communities, because they live in castles amongst other castles.
They like their jobs more, because they're running a racket, and hell given the choice...
They're more satisfied with their family life, because their nannies not only raise their kids, but they give great head.
They like the weather better, because the cold is a lot more tolerable when your inside with heat.
They have fewer financial worries, because see reason 1.
They're more likely to see themselves doing better in life than their parents did, especially with all that money their parents left them.
They're more likely to feel that individuals - rather than outside forces - control their own success or failure, because there's no road block you can't buy a way around.
They have more of what they most value in life, and clearly that's not money.
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I vote for the person I believe will do the best job at any position. Playing the party game is what's bringing this country to its knees.
So clearly, you're voting for Obama.
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So to take a different approach on this: What would be your reasons to vote republican?

I'll start: A reason to vote republican, if you're really really rich and you want to pay as few taxes as possible ignoring the fact that society has made you rich through it's labors.

next?

Whoever you vote, you are still electing Wall Street. There's no 2 party system.
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Whoever you vote, you are still electing Wall Street. There's no 2 party system.
Let's keep the distinction clear. If you elect republican, they will legislate to shift the tax burden onto the poor. If you elect democrats, they will shift the tax burden back to the wealthy, as it had been and should be. So you're either for increasing economic inequality (republican) or against it (democrat).
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There is a very definite distinction between the two parties, but lets not lie to ourselves - both are playing for the same team ultimately. The people with money.
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Let's keep the distinction clear. If you elect republican, they will legislate to shift the tax burden onto the poor. If you elect democrats, they will shift the tax burden back to the wealthy, as it had been and should be. So you're either for increasing economic inequality (republican) or against it (democrat).

If you mean that as a cycle yes. I voted Obama, wall street never did better than the past 3 years. No one went to jail and they all got a new yacht, a promotion and a new Merc.
Their "equality" is perfectly fine..the problem is with us...the rest..or the 99% as you wish.
for some real load of depression I suggest :
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Let's keep the distinction clear. If you elect republican, they will legislate to shift the tax burden onto the poor. If you elect democrats, they will shift the tax burden back to the wealthy, as it had been and should be. So you're either for increasing economic inequality (republican) or against it (democrat).
So that's it, that is the only difference? Lets go back to the Clinton era..plenty of mistakes there...I can respect your viewpoint, but it seems a bit jaded and assumptive.
Personally, I don't care if the president is Republican or Democrat...I'll vote for who I feel will do the best job and has the best interests of the country and its people as their value proposition. But, that isn't going to happen in our lifetimes.


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Let's keep the distinction clear. If you elect republican, they will legislate to shift the tax burden onto the poor. If you elect democrats, they will shift the tax burden back to the wealthy, as it had been and should be. So you're either for increasing economic inequality (republican) or against it (democrat).
We seem to agree that the corporations and the rich (however so loosely defined) control government. With that in mind isn't it just a little bit ridiculous to believe that true change will come about by simply asking the government to regulate their owners? We are not their masters. It's not really in their interest to listen to us, so they don't listen to us. They probably never did listen to us, which begins to explain how we got where we are today. And they'll continue fleecing everyone until enough people wake the fuck up to make real change inevitable.

It doesn't really matter what you believe or what you want. What matters is what will happen. And voting for the same old shit, playing that same old game is not going to yield results substantially different.

Swallow as many soundbites from either "side" of the aisle. They're all designed to placate you, to blame, to point fingers, to create scapegoats and instigate class warfare, to pit people against one another & to encourage dependence on the system controlled by the elites, rather than rather fostering cooperation and real community.
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We seem to agree that the corporations and the rich (however so loosely defined) control government. With that in mind isn't it just a little bit ridiculous to believe that true change will come about by simply asking the government to regulate their owners? We are not their masters. It's not really in their interest to listen to us, so they don't listen to us. They probably never did listen to us, which begins to explain how we got where we are today. And they'll continue fleecing everyone until enough people wake the fuck up to make real change inevitable.

It doesn't really matter what you believe or what you want. What matters is what will happen. And voting for the same old shit, playing that same old game is not going to yield results substantially different. The system is so full of "anti" checks and balances, which block attempts at one point down the road or another, that it doesn't seem possible.

Swallow as many soundbites from either "side" of the aisle. They're all designed to placate you, to blame, to point fingers, to create scapegoats and instigate class warfare, to pit people against one another & to encourage dependence on the system controlled by the elites, rather than rather fostering cooperation and real community.
This is really what it comes down to. Despite the fact that the system has basically led us into ruin, people still think that changes can be made by using the same traditional channels (it's all we really know). Unfortunetly at this point, any changes you do see are superficial and ultimately serve as ulterior motives for someone standing to gain. The Tea Party movement is a perfect example - taking people's frustration, harnessing it and using it to manipulate supporters against their own interests. As soon as you see direct political support for the Wall Street protests, it will likely go the exact same way.

My question is how do we change the system without a full-fledged revolution? How do you kick those out of the system who wield massively disproportionate amounts of money and power through a democratic process? The system is so full of "anti"-checks and balances, which serve to block attempts at one point down the road or another, that it doesn't seem possible. Historically, the aristocracy's gluttony has only been overthrown by direct violence; nothing else has gotten them to relinquish their power.

Unless something miraculous happens I see global milking continuing, at which point about 10 to 20 years from now will cause a societal "crash" point due to a variety of global issues not being addressed.

So long as the status-quo remains, the future is looking very dim.
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