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post #11 of 46 (permalink) Old 11-16-2011, 09:59 PM
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Your so called "Police" are the very people who have started (in one way or another) most of the wars in the last 50 years. Why? because the US sell arms to the world and that mega business needs war.

Also hope you are aware that the US sold arms to the "taliban" in Afghanistan and to Iraq and Iran and just about everyone else you care to mention.

War is one of your biggest exports.

I would add that this is beyond just the USA (so don't take it too personally).
It just so happens that many mega companies that feed on war are based in the USA and have huge pull in your government and foreign policy.

As snowwolf said growing and storing some food is a wise move right now. Even if the shit doesn't fully implode (I think it will in the next year or two ) it won't hurt to have some provisions in place.

A split board and some skins might be good two just in case the lifts stop.
No, I'm not saying the U.S. is like a police in the sense that it stops evil. I'm saying the pretty much go around and stop all conflicts and "defend" who ever needs it.

The U.S. may not be good at some things.

But they are the very best at war.

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Your so called "Police" are the very people who have started (in one way or another) most of the wars in the last 50 years. Why? because the US sell arms to the world and that mega business needs war.

Also hope you are aware that the US sold arms to the "taliban" in Afghanistan and to Iraq and Iran and just about everyone else you care to mention.

War is one of your biggest exports.

I would add that this is beyond just the USA (so don't take it too personally).
It just so happens that many mega companies that feed on war are based in the USA and have huge pull in your government and foreign policy.

As snowwolf said growing and storing some food is a wise move right now. Even if the shit doesn't fully implode (I think it will in the next year or two ) it won't hurt to have some provisions in place.

A split board and some skins might be good two just in case the lifts stop.

The world is a playground for USA, UK, Germany, France and Russia.. The rest don't matter... And yes, NO China or India.. They might be a source for cheap labor but will never have a significant role in dominating the world.
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So you're saying that USA spends so much money on military so that they can be the hero of other countries.. Don't get me wrong I live in USA too and I don't have anything against USA. I actually find the economic structure and the politics very successful, and grateful for the opportunities it provided me so far.. I mean, just think of it: Geographically, which country has the naval power to come to US soil and attack USA? NONE, US navy controls the oceans, no ship can go undetected.. Spending 2 times more than the total of the world is maybe 5 times more than what it supposed to spend to keep it secure for the people living in USA.

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USA does not get involved in a war unless it sees the potential danger if it does not get involved. Do you think that USA would have the power it has today if it didn't distrupt the stability in asia and europe 20-30 years ago? NO

Or do you think USA has been always this successful in the economic or military arena? NO.. USA rose to success after the cold war...

When it comes to helping other countries, it definitely does its part in helping times of a natural disaster, but bringing peace or democracy to a region is totally BS.

I guess the best way I can explain it is the U.S. being the action hand of the U.N. Not saying they bring peace to anywhere they go. They go there because the U.N. or an ally needs help.

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No, I'm not saying the U.S. is like a police in the sense that it stops evil. I'm saying the pretty much go around and stop all conflicts and "defend" who ever needs it.

The U.S. may not be good at some things.

But they are the very best at war.

That's what I wanted to hear.. USA is the very best at war... Yeah, let's go to war.. Let's go to a country that we have no idea about, tell them we're friends - we're here to bring peace & democracy, but travel 20000 miles with 50000 people and attack them? that's what we're good at I guess?

You need to open your eyes buddy and start reading some political and history books.. Your whole perspective will change..
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ThunderChunky:

I really understand what you're trying to say and I appreciate you're sharing your ideas with us. I would only humbly suggest that if you're curious about these topics, please do your research. Your whole perspective will change.

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That's what I wanted to hear.. USA is the very best at war... Yeah, let's go to war.. Let's go to a country that we have no idea about, tell them we're friends - we're here to bring peace & democracy, but travel 20000 miles with 50000 people and attack them? that's what we're good at I guess?

You need to open your eyes buddy and start reading some political and history books.. Your whole perspective will change..
We discussed this briefly in another thread and I don't think he has the mindset you think he does. The point he makes is that because we are such warmongers and allies can always count on us coming in guns blazing, they don't invest in strong domestic military. They basically leave that up to us (smartly) and spend their money elsewhere.

By trying to be the world power, we essentially pick up the military tab of a lot of countries.

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I'm working an a Master's Degree in History. Are you saying that America isn't good at war?

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We discussed this briefly in another thread and I don't think he has the mindset you think he does. The point he makes is that because we are such warmongers and allies can always count on us coming in guns blazing, they don't invest in strong domestic military. They basically leave that up to us (smartly) and spend their money elsewhere.
Exactly, I guess I just didn't explain good enough. My B

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I'm working an a Master's Degree in History. Are you saying that America isn't good at war?
I'm happy for you that you're pursuing further education. I went through that route too, in a different subject though. I know getting a masters degree is very hard and requires a lot of effort.

As far as America's capabilities at war: I didn't say America isn't good at war. In fact it possesses the best technology and one of the biggest men power, which gives it an edge. When you combine these with great tactics and strategy, you see a highly capable war machine, which wasn't very successful in Vietnam nor Iraq. Both terrains created big challenges for the US army and there were a lot of casualties, which bugs me a lot actually.
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Exactly, I guess I just didn't explain good enough. My B
Or maybe I jumped into the wrong conclusion very quickly. My apologies. Just know that I wasn't trying to make things personal, just found myself in a hot topic.
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