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Another big problem of that too was that America tried to operate major wars operations without being in a war time economy.

Its cool dude. No hostilities here. It's a sensitive subject.

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and to answer the question of the discussion subject:

No, I don't think the government will collapse. USA is a young nation with a lot of tools to keep a country going.
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^ I second that notion. Maybe a major revolution or regime change, but not complete collapse.

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Another big problem of that too was that America tried to operate major wars operations without being in a war time economy.

Its cool dude. No hostilities here. It's a sensitive subject.

well it might be a valid reason considering they operated in the other end of the world. Bad planning shall we say?
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I see three options:

1. Revolution
2. Collapse (eventually followed by some type of new government)
3. Fix Shit

#3 is highly highly unlikely due to the way our system operates and it's inability to be responsive to the majority population's needs. If they can't even agree on bad decisions, how are they going to manage to put good ones into effect? This decade will require some extremely important decisions to be made regarding the world's future, and right now were about 20 years behind schedule.

#1 Is also unlikely due to general apathy (which is rapidly lessening thankfully) and the desire to not make waves in the system.

#2 Will be very very interesting. It will be complete and utter fucking chaos until people come to grip with their new reality and form either a new national government, or perhaps more likely the reintroduction of the city-state.

Anyway I look at it, our current form of government needs something big to happen before the Fix Shit stage can take effect. Without revolutionary changes to the system, we're just gonna keep seeing the status-quo until our country is so shitty our leaders all bail and take a jet plane to the Bahamas.

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Agreed^ I'm taking an American Military History class right now. It's really cool.

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I see three options:

1. Revolution
2. Collapse (eventually followed by some type of new government)
3. Fix Shit

#3 is highly highly unlikely due to the way our system operates and it's inability to be responsive to the majority population's needs. If they can't even agree on bad decisions, how are they going to manage to put good ones into effect?

#1 Is also unlikely due to general apathy (which is rapidly lessening thankfully) and the desire to not make waves in the system.

#2 Will be very very interesting. It will be complete and utter fucking chaos until people come to grip with their new reality and form either a new national government, or perhaps more likely the reintroduction of the city-state.

Anyway I look at it, our current form of government needs something big to happen before the Fix Shit stage can take effect. Without revolutionary changes to the system, we're just gonna keep seeing the status-quo until our country is so shitty our leader all take a jet plane to the Bahamas.
Agreed. Can't find anything else to add.
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Big change coming, as it is things are just not sustainable. Thats true for many countries not just the USA.

Still that won't stop snow falling and as long as you can hike up there will be pow to slash. .
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Your so called "Police" are the very people who have started (in one way or another) most of the wars in the last 50 years. Why? because the US sell arms to the world and that mega business needs war.

Also hope you are aware that the US sold arms to the "taliban" in Afghanistan and to Iraq and Iran and just about everyone else you care to mention.

War is one of your biggest exports.

I would add that this is beyond just the USA (so don't take it too personally).
It just so happens that many mega companies that feed on war are based in the USA and have huge pull in your government and foreign policy.

As snowwolf said growing and storing some food is a wise move right now. Even if the shit doesn't fully implode (I think it will in the next year or two ) it won't hurt to have some provisions in place.

A split board and some skins might be good two just in case the lifts stop.
Woah!

First off private companies make guns, not the us government. The private recreational gun market in the USA WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY exceeds the export black gun market.

yes we sold guns(and still do) to middle eastern countries(probably not the most ethical thing to do) but even still MOST of the weapons used by non NATO sources are Russian in origin from the breakdown of the USSR

Wars are a DRAG on the US economy and a HUGE factor as to why we are in the shape we are in.

Weapons sales isn't even a drop in the bucket to the US economy, and if you think otherwise you need to get real dude.
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Wars are not a drag on the US they are a stimulant. It costs the government billions/trillions but for the economy it helps flourish.
You need to realise the economy is not related to the surplus or defecit run by the government.

Deployed troops recieve addittional pay - More money to spend for the family/ when they return.
Increase in demand for weapons, ammunition, medical equipment, vaccines, safety equipment, provisions all the necessaries, mostly sourced from the US creating a bumper demand from private companies who in turn need to hire addittional people to make and supply these. This reduces unemployment and increases demand for everything else as more jobs = more money = more spending.

Its a fact the US often looks for a reason to start a war in order to bolster the economy. If wars ended and fighting stopped (global peace) the US would suffer so its in its interest to keep the demand for war related items or risk the economy crashing.
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