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Old 05-17-2012, 07:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thought I'd share. Simple and straight forward.

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Old 05-17-2012, 07:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Watched this earlier, it's harder than hell getting this across to people who naturally believe in the safety structures the aristocracy has put in place to protect themselves. People believe those conventions because they have been repeated enough to become "common sense", key-word repetition propaganda is one of the most effective ways to brainwash people, look what it did for Hitler. Hell, look what it has done for Corporate Murica and the Tea Party.

People believe shit, and then you ask them why, and they immediately get defensive because in reality they don't know - it's just been ingrained.
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Interesting little vid.

Yeah, the 1%s have done a pretty good job of brain washing when the people who they are exploiting will defend the system that keeps them poor in the name of a "free economy".

People clearly work much more for much less than 30 years ago.

Same story in the UK, when I was a kid the middle class was much bigger and had much more money to spend. Now everyone has less apart from those at the very top of the pyramid.

Yesterday was the Queens 60th jubilee. UK taxpayers funded a huge celebration costing untold millions while regular families struggle to feed their children and provide adequate shelter for them to live in.

I am eternally optimistic that things will swing back the other way as nature itself always works towards redressing imbalances.
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I agree, I just find it saddening how much social and environmental degredation will have to occur before reaching that tipping point.
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that was an awesome video! Really explained it and simplified one of the biggest issues facing us today. I think to most everyone what was said in that video makes sense and people believe in it, it sure is a dam shame then that the policies made by our representatives does not reflect that. That is probably what infuriates me more than anything.
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I was waiting for Nick to define "the rich." He undercut his argument by signaling out Donald Trump who is more than just "rich" by the standards of the Obama administration.
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The greatest trick the 1% has pulled is convincing the middle class that they are part of the good old boys. It cracks me up when a guy making $50k a year starts spouting off bullshit conservative rhetoric. The dumbass doesn't realize he'd be out of a job right now if it meant the CEO getting an extra thousand on his already ludicrous quarterly bonus. Even when companies are losing money left and right,executives are cashing insane checks while laying off $35k a year employees that the company simply "can't afford".
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Yup! In my opinion ANYONE making less than $100K a year from income as a result of actually WORKING for it as opposed to dividend income is complete moron for voting Republican. There is simply no benefit to them for doing so. I get why rich people vote Republican. Once you start getting up over that $100K mark, there starts becoming some advantages and the more you make off of dividend income instead or earned income, there is a benefit from Republican policies. The rich are some of the laziest people in our society. They do not work and most cannot do jack shit for themselves. They live off of the labor of those who actually work and produce real tangible products and services.
I disagree. Shocker!

If Democrats ran the country they would skyrocket energy prices just so we could use less.



"Under my plan, under cap and trade, electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket."

So why would the working class single mother who has to make ends meet, want a party who is purposely going to make her utility price skyrocket?

How about Obama's energy secretary Steven Chu stating that he wanted gas prices to equal Europe's, at around $10 a gallon. Yeah that won't hurt working families. And when asked about it again, he re-upped. Then when gas hit $4 he told Congress that their goal was not to reduce gas prices, but to reduce usage.

Finally after Obama probably sent him a verbal ass whipping, he relented.



You want our country run by ^^^^^^^^^ this fucking idiot? No fucking thanks!

Why would anyone vote for a democrat? Their goal is to hike all of our energy prices. Sure, you may agree with their goal, to reduce energy usage and save the environment. Fine. But what about the scores of families where energy prices are a significant amount of their budget? Too bad, so sad.

So if consumers are the job creators, where are the jobs.

I hate this bullshit about oh it's the rich that create jobs, no it's the consumers that create jobs. Does anyone ever think that together, they create jobs, and if one is out of whack then no jobs are created like right now? Why is that this possibility has never crossed anyone's mind? Because politicians love class warfare. IT's fucking stupid and if you step back, you see. You need capital to start a company and provide products, and you need people to buy these products. It's like, hens will lay eggs no matter what but ain't no chick going to hatch until a rooster comes up and fucks her.
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Why would anyone ever vote Democrat?

Democrats have had their way in California for decades. I think it's been what, 60 years since Democrats have not controlled Sacramento? Sure we've had Republican governors but a governor cannot write or pass any law.

Look what a fucking mess California is. We should have the greatest economy in the US. Our state used to be the 5th largest economy in the WORLD. Yes world. The US, and 3 other whole nations, then California. Now we're 8th, slipping to 9 and maybe even more.

Our unemployment is over 10%, third highest in the US. Third highest.

We have one of the highest income tax rates, we have one of the highest sales tax. Some states have one or the other. We have both, and they're both high. In the largest state economy in the US. I'm going somewhere with this.

So, with all of the above, we should have a ton of money for schools and shit right? With the largest economy in the US, one of the largest in the world, with high state taxes in income and sales, with all of that, we can't fix our roads and we spend at the bottom on education.

Best and Worst States: Does Spending More on Education Work? State Rankings of Education Spending.

California is 47th in education spending per pupil. Let that sink in. So we have all this money, yet we keep running a deficit each year, and we don't spend on our kids. Where is the money going to?

Ask the Democrats in Sacramento.

Than ask me why I vote Republican again. I live in a Democratic wet dream and it sucks, trust me. Democrats are running California into the ground.

Go to Wisconsin. Republican Scott Walker goes in and busts up the public unions. Look I don't have a thing against public unions and I'm perfectly fine with responsible, good unions. But the Unions and Democrat politicians were so in bed together it was fucking the state up. This is the scam. Taxpayer money is used to pay the salaries of public workers. That's fine. But the unions get the Democrats to pass a law mandating that each worker, whether they join the union or not, to pay the Union dues. Take this job, you pay dues. That's it. The union, contributes 99.99% of their money to democrats.

See the scam? Democrat politicians wrote into law their cash cow. Take taxpayer money, pay the workers, take the workers money, pay the unions, unions pay us. That's a win.

Except it was fucking shit up in Wisconsin. High deficits, unemployment, high costs. Walker comes in, busts up the unions a little, fucks up the Democrat's cash cow.

What do the Democrats do? Them cowards ran to Illinois as fugitives, refusing to vote like little kids! These are the adults in the room? Because, Walker was going to bust their cash cow up. Unions were going to lose their cash cow. Instead of earning the dues on merit like everyone else, they want to cheat.

So what happens after the draconian cuts by Walker? Walker closed their $3.6 billion deficit without raising one tax. T hey are projected to have a $154 million surplus next year. Quite the reverse, isn't it?

He saves school districts Millions in health care costs by introducing competition. Property taxes for the residents went down. Under his first year they broke records in number of school districts not reporting layoffs, smaller class sizes, keeping all extra curricular activities, and keeping or adding art, music and shit.

Gov. Walker's reforms were devastating to public unions and their democrats, but great for the state of Wisconsin.

A teacher under Walker now gets to keep $1,100 of her own money and gets to decide whether she wants to join the union or not. Before that, she had no choice. The reforms were so successful that the #1 reason for the recall election, collective bargaining, was dropped as an argument before the election. It would just be stupid.

When Republicans act like Republicans, they do good. They get elected. When they get bought out by corporate money, than they do bad.
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I disagree. Shocker!

If Democrats ran the country they would skyrocket energy prices just so we could use less.



"Under my plan, under cap and trade, electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket."

So why would the working class single mother who has to make ends meet, want a party who is purposely going to make her utility price skyrocket?

How about Obama's energy secretary Steven Chu stating that he wanted gas prices to equal Europe's, at around $10 a gallon. Yeah that won't hurt working families. And when asked about it again, he re-upped. Then when gas hit $4 he told Congress that their goal was not to reduce gas prices, but to reduce usage.

Finally after Obama probably sent him a verbal ass whipping, he relented.



You want our country run by ^^^^^^^^^ this fucking idiot? No fucking thanks!

Why would anyone vote for a democrat? Their goal is to hike all of our energy prices. Sure, you may agree with their goal, to reduce energy usage and save the environment. Fine. But what about the scores of families where energy prices are a significant amount of their budget? Too bad, so sad.
Well that's great and all but then why does Europe enjoy a higher standard of living even when they have massive energy/fuel prices? It's called market competition and adaptation.

When people can't afford electricity and use less, what's the markets response? Manufacturers start paying attention by making everything high-efficiency because it becomes a make-or-break selling point. If they don't do it, no one will buy their product and they will go under.

When people can't afford gas, what's the markets response? Massive investment in public transportation in addition to fuel efficient vehicles. Ford sells models in Europe that get significantly better MPG than the versions they sell in the U.S - because if they tried to peddle their U.S versions no one would buy them.

If you subsidize the fuck out of an industry, guess what happens? Competition stagnates to the point where monopolies are born and take control, leading to lack of innovation and financial retardation.

The other concept that Obama and Chu, as well as any modern environmentalist will pose, is that we are not paying the true cost of oil or electricity - because we do subsidize the fuck out of them and avoid factoring in external costs (for example, what is the cost of completely destroying a healthy ecosystem that could yield material goods in order to harvest tar sands?). If we stopped creating a "fantasy" market and used real-life supply and demand, we would be switching over to alternative energy in about 5-seconds flat because it is far, far more economically viable.

Also, here's the bottom line: we don't have a choice in the matter when it comes to completely revitalizing our energy infrastructure. The resources we use today for the majority of our energy are destructive to our lives, but more importantly they are being quickly depleted. With developing mega-giants out there like China and India, with more to come, we have literally less than 50 years.

So here's the choice: either you create market shocks now and naturally cause the market to shift towards something economically and nationally sustainable, or you wait and this shift becomes more and more destructive on the economy whenever it does get implemented. Anyways you want to look at it we've create a shitty situation, and the longer we ignore it the shittier it gets.
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