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Old 06-10-2012, 02:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So I have a friend out here in my little town that I like to wax political with. We have a lot of the same view points, but he also has a lot of views that I find a little too "out there" for me. However, when he summed up our economy and why it is going the way it is, as well as where it is destined to go, I really couldn't argue with him. Here is what he had to say, and I had to agree with --
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In 1900 with a $20 gold coin, you could purchase a brand new suit with all the accessories. A paper 20 dollar bill, at that same time in history, could also buy that suit with all the accessories because it held the same value as the gold that was backing it.
TODAY, that same one ounce $20 gold piece (now worth +/- $1600), could be used to buy a nice brand new suit with all the trimmings, BUT a $...20 paper bill won't even get you the belt.
Enter the PRIVATELY OWNED Federal Reserve banking cartel in 1913, and you get WAR, more War, and incredible inflation. The devaluation of the dollar, and collapse of the worlds economies will make way for a new beginning. The solution to this manufactured crisis will be in the form of a ONE WORLD CURRENCY.
Now i'm not one to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon for just anything, but just look at the world and what's going on globally. If the major players have it their way, this is the single most likely outcome I can see. And once you have a world currency, then you need a world government. The writing has been on the wall for a while, it's just been written in ways that no one will pay attention to. We need change, but not at the sake of our world's countries sovereignty.
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A one world currency I go probably go along with but if there becomes a one world government then I'm moving out to the woods in Alaska to live out the rest of my days
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A one world currency I go probably go along with but if there becomes a one world government then I'm moving out to the woods in Alaska to live out the rest of my days

Wait what, are you watching what's happening to the euro?
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The only way a one world currency could exist, is if a 1984/brave new world-esque universal government achieved dominance as you suggested. But here's the problem that makes it not an incentive for elite nations, and the elite themselves within those nations to pursue.

Great wealth is built upon the loss of others. I see it as a mathematical formula, where either social or environmental capital must be sacrificed to break a natural balance which exists and create a surplus for a specific party. Right now the first-world's success, extravagance and consumerism relies 100% on the suffering of people and environments in developing and third-world nations. Could consumerism continue assuming we closed our borders? No, we would have to learn to be self-sufficient and create an environment which could sustain itself at a 1:1 ratio; our standard of living and resource consumption would drop DRASTICALLY. The only reason we have such high levels of environmental protection and quality here, is because we're extracting those resources and creating degradation elsewhere to maintain our personally over-excessive demand.

Anyways, my point is that by bringing a universal order and universal currency into effect, everyone would be on the same system and a certain level of equality would exist between different geopolitical zones. By having seperate currencies and geopolitical zones as we do now, it allows currencies to personally scale to their environment. This creates a huge advantage for foreign investors that come in and basically pay 1$ for resources and labor that would cost $50 in a fair/balanced world. Riches are wrought off the backs of the poor, and best way to keep people poor is by segregating them. In the modern world, that means using our status and power to make trade-threats to less-developed nations and keep resource commodity prices unnaturally low. If they were part of our "government", it would be far more difficult to do this.
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Wait what, are you watching what's happening to the euro?
So one example of a multi nation currency is suppose to show the future of any multi nation currencies ? I used the word probably for a reason. Meaning only if it was well planned, executed and proven to work

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sovereignty is as much of a problem as religion and money.
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Nice to see some other thoughts on this. Hobo, I would almost agree, except that I feel with a one world government, they would just decide what regions were no longer for population, but rather for resources, and vice versa. The money will still be there because they would be getting the resources for practically nothing, and then still charging the working class phenominal prices for said resources. Shred, I would almost think the same thing, but at least with sovereignty our nations still exsist, and the world can continue to function in a way that is well known and relatively globally accepted. What I think we really need is PEACEFUL sovereignty, not this warring crap we've been doing for thousands of years. If the nations of the world could learn to get along, then uniting them would be pointless IMO. Also, yay for the political section re-opening!
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Could consumerism continue assuming we closed our borders? No, we would have to learn to be self-sufficient and create an environment which could sustain itself at a 1:1 ratio; our standard of living and resource consumption would drop DRASTICALLY.

I think this is a key point, not just for the purposes of analyzing the shit hole we as a human race have dug ourselves into, but for a possible solution.

Something practical that you and I can do, rather than just talk.

If people as individuals can learn to less dependent on their currencies and the financial game that is capitalism we can come out of this cycle, that inevitably leads to self destruction.

As hobo says that will require a self sustainable system. I believe that is possible, not immediately it will have to be a slow transition towards self sufficiency and away from buying shit we don't need or can grow/ produce locally.

That takes away the strangle hold the "man" has over all of us.

I grow food and live near a spring for water. I grow food organically using a system that is self sufficient fermenting organic waste which can be used as fertilizer. Just small scale for me and my family. I also earn money and spend money (snowboard goods etc) but am trying to move towards a point where all the basic needs are covered and money is used for hobbies and travel. I am also thinking of selling my GTI and getting a diesel and running it on biodiesel which I can make myself (you can refine used oil from restaurants relatively easily). The beauty of that plan is that I may get a big 4WD that I can also sleep in when I go on powder trips in the winter.

My intention is not bragging here, just saying we can all act rather than lament. After all we all have some responsibility for allowing the 1%s to take this much control and lead us in this direction.

You and I are the only ones capable of taking that control back and removing ourselves from their strangle hold.

I am not saying get rid of everything in the system we have, just saying that the basics for existence and living need to be produced locally and be self sustainable. Then the concept of money will change.

What say ye?
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