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Old 09-25-2012, 07:48 PM   #61 (permalink)
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People definitely hunt with pistols. Quite common. There reason there aren't accidents as often is because they have much less power and cannot travel as far. Same thing with shotguns. The lethality of a pistol round that is accidentally shot past 15 yards is extremely low versus a rifle. That is my point.


The only thing I am against is open carry in metropolitan areas with anything but a pistol. An accident with a rifle is gonna be much more deadly than a pistol. That is all I'm saying. And again like snowolf said I am not saying all metropolitan areas. It should be based on both the likely hood of an accident, how deadly it would be if there was an accident, and how the culture is there.

I've seen far to many accidents to say there should be no restrictions on guns. People need to realize that accidents are 100% avoidable, but do happen. So why expose ourselves to that much more deadly risk of that accident for no benefit. If there is no benefit and negatives to it then it should at least be up for debate.
So if i were to shoot you in the head with a 9mm at 100 yds, you wouldnt die?
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People definitely hunt with pistols. Quite common.
c'mon man, this is a stretch and you know it. People hunt with single shot .44 magnums with 10 inch barrels and the like. No one is going out in the field with a subcompact 9mm looking to hunt deer.
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Not extremely common. I do know quite a few people who hunt with stock revolvers. They are just extremely good at calling. Since you can only hunt with shotguns here people have learned to call deer in to within ten yards of them. Didn't believe it till I saw it.
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So if i were to shoot you in the head with a 9mm at 100 yds, you wouldnt die?
It really depends. It definitely could, but the chances are enormously better that a rifle will. I would much rather be shot with a pistol from 50 yards than a rifle. Much better survival rate. This is not just about the survival rate from an accident though. The point is why risk that for no reason. Carrying a pistol has it's purposes. A rifle in a metropolitan area is not practical.
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People definitely hunt with pistols. Quite common.
So which one is it? Quite common, or not extremely common?

The reason that people aren't injured by pistols when hunting is because an extremely large majority of people hunt with rifles.

http://www.tn.gov/twra/pdfs/07huntaccreport.pdf

Again, I'm not debating you on whether a rifle is more deadly than a handgun. I'm simply saying that you discounting the lethality of pistol rounds at ranges greater than 15 yards is off.
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A rifle in a metropolitan area is not practical.
neither is a .44 magnum or a S&W .500, yet people are still within their right to carry one.

At what point do we start nit-picking on what is and isn't allowed? If you allow that, soon semi-auto handguns will be prohibited and it will be only revolvers are allowed. Then it will be only 5 shot revolvers are allowed and all 6 shot are prohibited. So on and so forth.

If you don't believe in the erosion of constitutional rights, such as our 2nd amendment is fathomable, read up on the Patriot act.
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It's common, but it's not like your gonna see as many people hunting with rifles. Around here it is common. It's not more popular than rifles, I.E. extremely common, but it is common.
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I own fifteen to twenty guns and am in the military. If you honestly think a pistol round causes more damage than most rifle rounds from 15+ yards you should probably tell the United States Military they are retarded and need to start using the 9mm version of the M4.

If you honestly think the average pistol round at 15+ yards is does more damage than the average rifle round you clearly need to educate yourself. We don't want idiots like that handling firearms.
How do you not know how many guns you own? How do you own "15 to 20"? I know every single firearm I've ever owned down the the last spring and detent. A responsible firearms owner should at least know which weapons he/she owns and their serial numbers as well as how to operate and maintain them. I find it hard to believe you actually own that many firearms and don't know for sure how many. This smells like bullshit.

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So if an accident happens with a firearm it doesn't matter if it's a pellet gun or a Barrett .50?

More people are murdered by handguns because they are more practical and tactical at close range. Also it it much harder to smuggle and hide an M4. Pistols are much more accessible than assault rifles.
You're acting like practicality is not important to lethality too. All you're doing is accounting for ballistics and slug dynamics. Part of the reason handguns are more deadly than an AR-50 is because an AR-50 is fucking 35 pounds and impractical to shoot from anything but a benchrest, unless you're Brock Lesnar apparently (shooting a Barrett M82?):



So of course no one would choose to be hit with a .50 BMG over a 9x19 at any distance. That's just a red herring. Knives are even more deadly in many cases than any gun because they are even more concealable and quieter. They also have better chances of doing terminal damage when employed properly.

What does any of this have to do with people open carrying rifles "bullying" people or whatever imaginary scenario you're trying to get everyone to buy into? Rifles are impractical to carry. People won't carry them. This is evident because it's legal to open carry in many states and the only time people open carry AR15's or whatever is as a statement, not as a matter of practical self-defense. Much less do they carry them so they can bully people around. That would be considered brandishing at the very least.
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If you really want me to list every single weapon I own, I can. It is not really relevant to my authority to talk on this topic though. Which is why I don't feel like listing the exact specifics of each gun. Nor does it mean that I don't own any guns if I don't list the serial numbers of each gun I own. Some of the guns I own come and go quickly which is why I don't memorize the serial number on each. Quite a few have gone to my brother and to my father. I have also sold a few because I don't have enough room in my gun case to hold them.

Practicality is a very important part of lethality, but no when there is an accident. When a firearm accident happens the only thing that matters is the damage that bullet is gonna do. And for something that is going to create a lot of damage and have no benefits as to why the risk of the accident should happen is a good reason to at least consider it's restrictions.
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