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Old 09-25-2012, 04:16 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:42 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Essentially, the HMS mandate requires all Catholic organizations to pay for birth control. Birth control is something they consider "gravely immoral". These organizations employ catholics and non-catholics alike and make no pretense about their moral values.

This view of life is something shared by many non-catholics, Ghandi being one of the more prominent figures.

By requiring them to pay for these "health services" they are complying with immoral action and are therefore being forced to act immorally.

I appreciate Catholics for their consistent view of life. You don't have to agree with them to see that mandate as a problem. I value humanity, life and consistent moral values.

It's the same reason I appreciate my friends who are pure hedonists. They are consistent, they don't act like they are searching for anything other than pleasure. If they can use you or something else to increase their pleasure, they will. Consistency being the key word.
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Old 09-25-2012, 05:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Apparently, you missed the details on this so called "HHS mandate". It "forces" religious health organizations to provide contraceptive care to women ONLY if they wish to be a part if the health insurance exchange. When discussing UNIVERSAL health care for ALL. Americans, you simply have to set a standard of care and not everyone in this country subscribes to religious superstition. If these religious institutions (namely Catholic churches) have a moral issue with this then get out of the for profit health care business. Problem is they want the big money to be gained.

I see your point. The Catholic organizations were the ones setting up hospitals when there was no money in it. When it was about human dignity and compassion. Now that there is money to be made, hand it over? Many people talk of tolerance, I don't see it in regards to the catholic church. Also, the church isn't preventing anyone from the contracepting, they are saying it's immoral for them to pay for it.

You do a lot of hand wringing over this "infringement on religious freedom" but don't seem to have a problem with these fucking asshole bible bangers infringing on the rights of those of us who don't buy into their Peter Rabbit fairytale view of the world.

Can you please explain more. I think I understand what you are implying but I want to make sure.

Obama isn't "forcing" anyone to act immoral at all. These filthy churches are money grubbing greedy scumbags wanting to be a part of this private health insurance exchange (Catholic hospitals) but want to deny coverage and care to those who may not believe in their mythology. If they are so adamant about their "morals" they can stand their ground and opt out.

Deny what coverage and care? And while we are at it, could you please define healthcare? As a sidenote: I guarantee they will stand their ground if it comes to that. I seriously hope it doesn't.

I am personally sick of having to tip toe around and walk on egg shells to be so sensitive and tolerant of religious beliefs while these fucking bible banging shit heads try to infest our secular government and ram their poisonous crap down all of our throats. Go ahead and support an unethical douchebag who will screw the entire middle class into ground with the same failed economic policies that crashed the country under Bush. I wonder how your religious sensitivities will like having Mormonism shoved down your throat. You know the LDS church is a major lobbying power and were hugely responsible for the defeat of Prop 8 in California. With a Morbot in the White House, who knows how much influence the LDS will have over policy.

I'm not a fan of mormonism because I don't see any internal consistency in their views. I wish there were a better option. But, since our government is set up in a way that we will only ever have two legitimate party options, I must make my choice.

God, Guns, Gays and Abortion is what elections have become about every cycle. Americans as a whole are too stupid to handle democratic self governance!

Do you think any of these things are important?


Here is exactly what the HHS Exemption says:



Having provided this exemption for qualifying religious institutions is not good enough for these churches who want to cram their shit down everyone`s throats. Just like abortion, they are not satisfied simply not choosing to have abortions, they want to tell everyone else in the country (and lets face it the entire fucking world) what to do.

Catholic orgs do not attempt to prevent women from contracepting or aborting if they are not a part of the church. They simply say they cannot pay for it or they would be acting immorally.
I'm sorry for coming across offensive, I really didn't intend to piss you off.
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The HMS mandate that President Obama was so adamant about pushing was an extreme overstep of presidential power.

Any president that thinks the country should have the power to force a group to act immorally is not someone I will vote for. I don't have to be religious to see the future implications from a precedent like that.
I seem to remember instances where repub governments put pressure on educational institutions to cancel Planned Parenthood education by threatening to withhold funding, and other similar tactics to enforce the republican view. Things that most dems would consider immoral. Were you just as incensed then, or is your moral outrage strictly situational?
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I'm sorry for coming across offensive, I really didn't intend to piss you off.
You didn't piss him off, you set him off.

We all have hot buttons. Snowolf has been known to get mildly annoyed at religion. Come to that, so have I.
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Oh yeah, good luck convincing a Catholic to vote for a Mormon.....
Ha ha, this is a more legitimate statement than it should be.
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I seem to remember instances where repub governments put pressure on educational institutions to cancel Planned Parenthood education by threatening to withhold funding, and other similar tactics to enforce the republican view. Things that most dems would consider immoral. Were you just as incensed then, or is your moral outrage strictly situational?
To be honest, this is the first I've heard of it. I'd need to read up a lot more before replying. Definitely a good question but I'd like to know details.
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You didn't piss him off, you set him off.

We all have hot buttons. Snowolf has been known to get mildly annoyed at religion. Come to that, so have I.
I am Christian and I get annoyed at organized religion
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