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Old 09-25-2012, 04:57 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Oh shit that is a great point Donutz and it also reminds me how religious institutions are forbidding the teaching of science (evolution and geology) in our schools in favor of creationism. That violates my rights as a secular individual too.
This has nothing to do with morality and is an outright overstepping of religious institutions power.

Evolution and geology are not up for debate, they are fact. They are systems we use to understand our world and I have no taste for people who look to prevent something they don't understand.

As long as biology and religion play within their sandbox, I see no issue. I feel bad for the children of these people. If you don't teach your children to evaluate the world, how will they ever understand their place in it?
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:27 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I've always not voted, out of a combination of conscientious objection and laziness.

The best thing for Washington DC and the country is an old-school purge imho.

HOWFUCKINGEVER, last night I registered to vote and will be doing so purely against this Romney piece of shit.

-Latin countries riddle the 3rd world. They are hamstrung by the church. A lack of birth control, combined with a lack of education for the masses, gives this church an even greater version of control in the modern world.

-everyone blames every new piece of legislation they didn't like "a slippery slope"
1. don't be so scared, we need a fucking cliff to solve some of these problems
2. anybody remember the Patriot Act? FUCK

-I would have let it lie, but this guy is just one fuckup after another, at MY expense. Go ahead, explain to me how a combined family income of ~60-70k gets taxed ~30% and this cockhound pays 14 on 20million? FUCK YOU

He sends money and jobs overseas, and is weak on foreign policy. So he's obviously a shitty American - what does he want from us besides all our money? Oh yea not our vote cuz we are below his class of people, but he would like to be President of the USA....FUCK OFF
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:50 PM   #23 (permalink)
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To be honest, this is the first I've heard of it. I'd need to read up a lot more before replying. Definitely a good question but I'd like to know details.
Wish I had details. It's just something I heard in passing on the news (back in the dubya days). Rolled my eyes and moved on.

I'm sure it's somewhere on the interwebz though. Or Snowolf may just pull it out of his bottomless bag of references.
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:14 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Apparently, you missed the details on this so called "HHS mandate". It "forces" religious health organizations to provide contraceptive care to women ONLY if they wish to be a part if the health insurance exchange. When discussing UNIVERSAL health care for ALL. Americans, you simply have to set a standard of care and not everyone in this country subscribes to religious superstition. If these religious institutions (namely Catholic churches) have a moral issue with this then get out of the for profit health care business. Problem is they want the big money to be gained.

You do a lot of hand wringing over this "infringement on religious freedom" but don't seem to have a problem with these fucking asshole bible bangers infringing on the rights of those of us who don't buy into their Peter Rabbit fairytale view of the world.

Obama isn't "forcing" anyone to act immoral at all. These filthy churches are money grubbing greedy scumbags wanting to be a part of this private health insurance exchange (Catholic hospitals) but want to deny coverage and care to those who may not believe in their mythology. If they are so adamant about their "morals" they can stand their ground and opt out.

I am personally sick of having to tip toe around and walk on egg shells to be so sensitive and tolerant of religious beliefs while these fucking bible banging shit heads try to infest our secular government and ram their poisonous crap down all of our throats. Go ahead and support an unethical douchebag who will screw the entire middle class into ground with the same failed economic policies that crashed the country under Bush. I wonder how your religious sensitivities will like having Mormonism shoved down your throat. You know the LDS church is a major lobbying power and were hugely responsible for the defeat of Prop 8 in California. With a Morbot in the White House, who knows how much influence the LDS will have over policy.

God, Guns, Gays and Abortion is what elections have become about every cycle. Americans as a whole are too stupid to handle democratic self governance!


Here is exactly what the HHS Exemption says:



Having provided this exemption for qualifying religious institutions is not good enough for these churches who want to cram their shit down everyone`s throats. Just like abortion, they are not satisfied simply not choosing to have abortions, they want to tell everyone else in the country (and lets face it the entire fucking world) what to do.
You sir, have just made my night. I love this. Finally someone who doesn't hold back, i as well am tired of always having to be careful of what i say. I am a catholic (mostly just because it was how i was raised and told how to be, not so much of a catholic anymore really) and i agree 100% with what you say. Seriously, your post is genius in my mind...Bravo.



One of the biggest things that bothers me about Romney, besides the fact that he is a sleezy scumbag, is that he brings religion into his politics, almost all of his speeches i have heard religious remarks. What ever happened to separation of the church and state? I can kind of understand why someone would want to vote against Obama, however, i see no justifiable reasons to vote for Romney. Hell, vote for one of the independents, Romney will severely harm this country if he is elected, which i feel he won't be though. But who knows, he has corrupted a large number of American minds.
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Fuck 'em both, I know this is essentially "throwing my vote away," but come election day, I will be promptly writing in Ron Paul.
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I have to state that 99% of all Americans I have ever met are absolutely fantastic people. They are warm, fun loving folk who have always treated me with respect. I also enjoy my regular visits to Montana and Idaho and the culture down there. I have travelled the entire eastern seaboard as well. But I have to say.....your government makes me sick. They are the most useless bunch of tools on the face of the planet. Rick, arrogant, greedy, selfish, materialistic, imperialistic, and self serving. Did you see the head of the Israeli Mossad on 60 minutes the other night? He (an Israeli of highest regard) suggests that Iran's president is a reasonable man. Your government is just looking for another war like it does every time a new president is elected. Quite frankly: its disgusting. Time to pull all your troops out of every corner of the world and help out your own people: 1/7 on food stamps? And I could care less if you think you are protecting us Canadians. We don't need your help. If a conflict was to begin and Canadians couldn't take care of the job themselves, so be it. Most of my friends are more worried about America invading Canada than supposed threats from the middle east. I deal with Muslims, East Indians and Asians every day in Calgary and can tell ya they are not to be feared. They are wonderful people!
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Like you Donutz, I have only vague recollection of specific examples. Not that we really need any as we have plenty of current 2012 examples of far right Republicans injecting their brand of "Christianity" into legislation. The American south is where this is most prevalent in states like Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia not to mention throwbacks like Sam Brownback's Kansas!

In all of these bastions of evangelical right wing extremism, there are constant attacks upon all forms of public education and they go bananas over any form of sex education and Evolution. There is perhaps no better example of this than that loony, Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana!





This is just 1 tiny example out of thousands where radical fundamentalist Christians are trampling on the religious freedoms of others and undermining our nation. This thing with the Catholic church is a shining example. It is not just the rights of non believers that they are suppressing. What about all of the Lutherans, Presbyterians, Baptists and all of the other religions who have no moral issues with birth control? Are their religious freedoms somehow less important than the Catholics' in a country that was founded upon religious freedom?

How is the catholic church suppressing anyone's rights in regards to birth control?

Take a look at this Texas GOP platform. Rewrite this into Arabic and you could pass this off as a Taliban document!

Texas Freedom Network: 2012 Texas GOP Platform Briefing Paper
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Fuck 'em both, I know this is essentially "throwing my vote away," but come election day, I will be promptly writing in Ron Paul.
not throwing a vote away, but taking a stand against flawed political system, I will be doing the same thing.
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Mitt Romney = Shit Onmey
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:07 AM   #30 (permalink)
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The problem I see is that most are not actually voting for Romney, they are only voting against Obama. It's always for the same excuses "Obama didn't do this or that", not "Romney will do this".

I'm firm on my belief that we are voting in the lesser of two evils, however just because the lesser isn't doing what he should or promised DOES NOT mean the other person is going to do better. In my opinion, that's a very dangerous mindset for the masses to have, especially where we are as a country right now.

I'm sure Obama has this election bagged after some insane comments from Romney, but basically what's happening this election is this... More people voting for a Republican because a Democrat couldn't get shit done due to house Republicans. Gives me a headache.
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