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Old 09-27-2012, 07:46 PM   #41 (permalink)
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A lot of people (ignorant people) are just mad at Obama and his bailout to the extent they refuse to look at anything else. They don't listen to the issues or look at some of the ridicules shit Romney wants to do. I've talked to quite a few people like this. They have no idea about what Romney wants to do but just what he's saying negative about Obama.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:49 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Can you even still "write in" a vote? or is it push button a or b? If you can I'm voting for ME with Johnny Walker as my running mate.
Where I live you can still do write ins. But I don't know about anywhere else.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:11 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I was under the impression that to write yourself in and have that vote count you have to file a letter of intent with the state(s). Someone correct me here if I'm wrong.

Edit: Nevermind I'll correct myself, lol. It depends on the state.

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Old 09-28-2012, 05:50 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Can you even still "write in" a vote? or is it push button a or b? If you can I'm voting for ME with Johnny Walker as my running mate.
Goes by state and each state has their own laws regarding the electoral college. Here you could sub in write-in with doing anything other than voting Obama/Romney.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:25 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Come on my friend. I'll up out of engineering mode for just a moment and think a little more abstract and try to understand the spirit of what I am saying.

If a person who thinks Romney (for example) is really bad for the country chooses not to vote for Obama because they are pissed off at him and instead votes for a name that has zero chance of winning, they are in effect helping Romney.

Voting for Ronald McDonald is the same as me voting for Ron Paul ( who I support) neither has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning so they are throw away votes no better than simply not voting. I firmly believe with every fiber of my being that Romney will be an unmitigated disaster for the working class of this country; possibly worse than Bush.

Because of this, I feel duty bound to vote for Obama (whom I am not totally happy with) to try to avert that disaster. Not doing so IS a de facto vote for Romney.

Agree to disagree if you like but my mind is made up with regard to this truth. Anyone who also thinks Romney would be horrible mistake (worse than Obama) but then does not vote or votes for a throw away candidate instead of using that vote to put the lesser of 2 evils back in, just made it a little easier for that piece of shit to win.
That's just it; the idea of the vote being thrown away is predicated on the two points. 1, that I think Obama is a less bad presidential candidate than Mitt Romney and 2, Obama doesn't win the election. If I believe 1 is true but still believe Ronald McDonald is better than either and vote for him but 2 happens, then did I still throw away my vote? What if I believe 2 will happen regardless?

This is an equivocation; literally, the only way a vote is "thrown away" is to NOT vote.

Then there are electoral college laws. In MD, for example, each party appoints a number of electors pledged for their parties nominee equal to MD's electoral college (8 reps + 2 senators). These electors are sworn to vote for the candidate elected by the majority of the popular vote in the state. Now, while they are sworn to vote in this manner, votes are also sealed and Constitutionally confidential. To my knowledge, there is no history of voting deviancy. At any rate, MD will allocate its 10 college votes for Obama so for all intents of purposes, I will be voting for Obama.

Thus,it would depend on the perspective but it could be said I have no choice but to waste my vote or I have no choice but to make the best use of my vote.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:47 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Found this interesting, but not worth starting a new thread for:

Republican strength in congress aids super-rich, president's affiliation has no effect
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:15 AM   #47 (permalink)
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It's because congress has the purse strings and is the body that actually makes laws. That's why it is so stupid this notion by conservatards that "Obama has burdened us with debt". This debt was all the result of a Republican controlled House passing budgets. If the fucking hypocritical douchebags were so concerned with fiscal frugality, why have they passed these budgets and bailouts? Tax breaks for the rich (passed by Republican controlled House) is government spending and redistribution of wealth upwards! Conservatards love Socialism when it comes to the wealthy, just not for the working class!
Can you define the "working class"? Who is the "non-working class"?

And if you get a chance to answer the questions I asked earlier in the thread, I'd be interested in your answers.
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Can you define the "working class"? Who is the "non-working class"?

And if you get a chance to answer the questions I asked earlier in the thread, I'd be interested in your answers.
i think working class typically equates to middle class.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:24 PM   #49 (permalink)
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i think working class typically equates to middle class.
especially the lower 2/3 of it.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:40 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Snowolf,

did you happen to catch this article? I just ran across it recently and it's from earlier this year, but this kind of speaks of how the entire republican party thinks.

Norquist: Romney Will Do As Told?David Frum - The Daily Beast

Unfortunately, the corporate green and scumbag mentality runs much, much deeper than Romney alone.
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