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Old 10-04-2012, 03:37 PM   #91 (permalink)
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no worries.

and i do find it mind-blowing.

mindblowing-ly awesome!

Whether it came from a deity or not is irrelevant to my question. I basically wanted to know if anyone else just stands around and goes, Holy fuck this is awesome. This is some complicated shit, that regardless of the how, is pretty fucking cool! I don't know if I really conveyed that well in my original question, so apologies.

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Yep, I here ya. I read The Selfish Gene because I wanted to try and understand how what I accepted was possible. It answered that question completely. But it still blows my mind to think about it!!
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:47 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Exactly.

I didn't say nor do I believe science is invalid. That's crazy talk.
Yes invalid is the wrong word, my apologies.

However you are saying "science didn't create or do anything" I'm asking why you appear to think it (or any other explanation for that matter)needs to?

I would hasten to add, that's a genuine question. (Sorry if I'm coming across otherwise)

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Old 10-04-2012, 04:25 PM   #93 (permalink)
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i guess the bottom line, for ME - is that we all have questions about the universe and our place in it, questions about the origin of man and why humans are the way we are and how we can do the things that we can do... we all have these thoughts and these questions, and for me when i don't have the answers to them it is not natural for my mind to look to a god as the answer. its not the logical conclusion i come to. for some people apparently it is. i think alot of people are wrong about alot of things and this is one of them and they think i am wrong
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:36 PM   #94 (permalink)
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i guess the bottom line, for ME - is that we all have questions about the universe and our place in it, questions about the origin of man and why humans are the way we are and how we can do the things that we can do... we all have these thoughts and these questions, and for me when i don't have the answers to them it is not natural for my mind to look to a god as the answer. its not the logical conclusion i come to. for some people apparently it is. i think alot of people are wrong about alot of things and this is one of them and they think i am wrong
well said, and I totally respect your views.

I am with the non-theists 100% though in agreeing that religion is a bad thing though. It should not dictate political policy, school teachings, etc. It's place should be in the home among families. It should not be starting wars, oppressing people for differing views, etc. Living in the Bible belt is rough, because so many of these people want to ignorantly push their beliefs on everyone else in forceful ways. Not my thing.

thanks for the video by the way, finally got to watch it. Pretty interesting stuff. Kind of mind blowing that the fusion of just two chromosomes can change the outcome of a species to that degree.
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:39 PM   #95 (permalink)
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nothing you have said differs from my beliefs, except I believe a higher power had a hand in guiding those improbable events.
Is that all you believe he did? Like Prometheus style and then left to go populate some other place. Possible.

If you think God has a hand in our day to day activities then I don't agree.
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Is that all you believe he did? Like Prometheus style and then left to go populate some other place. Possible.

If you think God has a hand in our day to day activities then I don't agree.
nah I don't think He's handling our day to day stuff.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:40 PM   #97 (permalink)
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I have a serious, non-dick question for those who don't believe in a higher power, basically regarding my questions from a few posts up.

Do you guys ever look around at the complexities of everything around us, from the way the universe works, to our perfect distance from the sun for life to exist, to the gravitational pull of the moon which allows the tides to support that ecosystem, so on and so forth, down to the complexities of how living organisms work and wonder: "Man, how the fuck did all this shit just happen to work out?". I mean, it seems that even the most fragile changes or shifts in about anything cause problems that are beyond human control. I know there's lots of scientific theories out there to try and explain the coincidences, but do you guys ever think, "Holy fuck?"
Here's an interesting perspective on the other side of "Intelligent Design." Neil deGrasse Tyson is a super intelligent and super interesting dude..

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Old 10-04-2012, 07:27 PM   #98 (permalink)
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“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends,”

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Old 10-04-2012, 08:00 PM   #99 (permalink)
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backstop and sabatoa - what about evolution? do you believe that humans and chimpanzees both evolved from a common ancestor?

not trying to "shut you guys up" but this is a powerful obsevation:
What's interesting about this vid is that it makes a falsifiable prediction. Basically putting your money where your mouth is. "If evolution is true, this must be the case - otherwise evolution is in trouble."

This is AFAIK the fourth major falsifiable prediction that evolutionists have made since Darwin, and every one was successful. The other three are:

- DNA
- Continental drift
- Nuclear fusion.

DNA is obvious, but yes evolutionists predicted the other two well before they were verified, because they were a necessary consequence of evolution -- otherwise evolution would be in big trouble.
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I am not a bible thumper. Most of my friends are athiest and I don't try to convert them. But I can tell you that I have experienced God's love and grace way to many times to deny his existence. The interesting part is that I didn't believe until some horrible things happened to me, not good things. Furthermore, the bible is a fantastic book. Its not to be taken literal. But the stories and lessons to be learned are just to excellent to deny the existence of a higher power, namely J.C. And yes. I will pray for snow....lol

And.......if in the end, its all just a fairytale, I am ok with that. It has been a good ride.
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