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Old 10-04-2012, 09:28 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I personally can't accept that video as a debunking because Rogan kept interjecting. The video was very one sided, whereas if the archeologist actually had a chance to speak and Rogan successfully dismissed his statements it would have some value to me.

Personal speil: God is there. But you have to listen, and many people will simply dismiss many of God's signs/signals to us. Claiming they can be explained scientifically. But if science cannot explain this, what in all seriousness is the truth? There have been a select few events in my life that have been so profound whereas I can, nor anyone for the matter, find a reasonable and scientific answer.

Rogan acknowledges the possibility of an ancient natural disaster that caused the boat to end up there. I personally believe the bible (as a Jew I also only follow Old Testament) is the precise word of God. Reform Judaism is in correspondance to this belief, there is a reason I left my parents Conservative synagogue.

If the bible was the word of God, we wouldn't find any flaw in it. However there are many mistranslations, imperfections. I don't dismiss it's educational value, ergo it is moreso one of the oldest form of written law in human history (if not the first). Written by some very scholarly and smart people. Human beings are flawed, it is what makes us unique. It creates the opportunity for us to learn at an exponential rate, in constant pursuit of perfection; rather than having said perfection simply handed to us.

If you're an Atheist, I'm happy for your found beliefs. My religion also conveys that people are not to impose their beliefs onto others, we all have a different thought process brought on by our individual perspective consisting of life experience. Alas, if you believe that when you die that nothing will happen; that is exactly what will happen. I think it's faith in something more, something greater, that brings us into the afterlife.

On that note, I also believe that most people aren't in the essence "good." Most of us in all honesty are dishonest. There are more bad than good people in the world, that's a given. We lie, cheat, and deceive each other to take what we want in selfishness. This is a poison caused by capitalism and society, and in a sense I feel that we are born somewhere in the middle, in neutrality. It's a conscious choice whether we decide to be good or bad, to accept or reject God and religion from our lives. However the power of good greatly outweighs evil, the lack of good people is offset by their intentions.

As more people begin to shift into trusting society versus God, multiple things will happen. Popular opinion is the overall decisive factor, and what one person sees as a logical explanation will indeed spread to more people. And this isn't necessarily a bad thing: it creates a "heaven on earth" paradox. We are placed onto this planet for a short period of time, and our actions and how they are perceived by others better our karma, our souls. It's a proven fact, to me at minimum, that simply scaring people into believing religion doesn't work. People need to have a desire to be good.

Other things will happen, and I can go on to explain my belief why capitalism is flawed and will fail in light of socialism. Some day. But until we can have enough good people to create a truly marxist environment, this is off the table. When people learn to be happy in substance, living with enough to be comfortable yet not spoiled by capitalism's cheap thrills, we will reach our intentioned goal. And I fully believe this is someday possible. It's a known fact that we have enough surplus food to end world hunger, the problem is simply distribution and people wanting to make money off it. I really could go on to explain this as far as to write a novel, but I'm sort of exhausted and want a cigarette.

Another cheap thrill, but selling yourself to corporations is fun. Right? But I also roll my own, Phillip Morris has made enough money off me whereas the next time I try to buy a pack of 27's I'm quitting. I posted this to spark a little debate and see other's beliefs, I want to contrast my worldview against yours. That last part is in a sense me confirming my statement, we pay for name brands when our excess income can be better distributed to end poverty and better the world. In a place where we have already cured societies flaws and everyone is happy, we can overcome this barrier/plateau mankind will soon reach in knowledge, diligence, and ambition.

In summary: LSD>DMT
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:06 PM   #102 (permalink)
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In summary: LSD>DMT
With all due respect, but the fact you're comparing DMT to a man made drug just proves you really don't understand what DMT even is. LSD alters your perception on your reality. DMT takes your consciousness to higher levels of dimensions and awareness. Ever heard the phrase your pineal gland is a gateway? It's because the DMT it produces utilitzed with your "third eye" takes your consciousness to higher realms. The fact that the pineal gland also has an ocular lens is no coincidence. So I'm sorry, but these are completely different beasts that should never be compared. Because if you think that, then you've been drinking too much fluoride in the water :P . It's no coincidence that fluoride also damages the pineal gland and its ability to produce DMT

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I don't want to debate I just want to share my views. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I believe in the literal translation of Genesis and believe it is the word of God. I also believe God shows us through science that he exists. I find the theory of basic cells mutating randomly enough to generate the complex structures of the human body difficult to believe. Because that exactly is what had to happen, random spontaneous life where there was none. Not to mention the fact of the conditions that must be present for life to exist. If anyone wants to see the Creation Scientist side check out Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics . The point is for me, no one actually viewed the creation of the universe, so people can only make guesses about how it started. For me, looking around and see the complexity of life, the solar system and how marvelously created our human bodies are, I see God's handy work. I've learned its really useless to debate over the internet so I wont be doing it. Romans 1:20 says, "20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
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I don't want to debate I just want to share my views. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I believe in the literal translation of Genesis and believe it is the word of God. I also believe God shows us through science that he exists. I find the theory of basic cells mutating randomly enough to generate the complex structures of the human body difficult to believe. Because that exactly is what had to happen, random spontaneous life where there was none. Not to mention the fact of the conditions that must be present for life to exist. If anyone wants to see the Creation Scientist side check out Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics . The point is for me, no one actually viewed the creation of the universe, so people can only make guesses about how it started. For me, looking around and see the complexity of life, the solar system and how marvelously created our human bodies are, I see God's handy work. I've learned its really useless to debate over the internet so I wont be doing it. Romans 1:20 says, "20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
Can I ask a question and I mean no disrespect, but im honestly curious to know the answer from someone who believes in the bible etc.

If good created the world just over 2000 years ago in 6 days how do you explain dinosaurs that existed millions of years ago? If you believe that dinosaur remains are not millions of years old, but less then 2000 why is there no mention of them in the bible? Why is there no documentation of them as being around during that time? Seems to me raptors and t rexs would be sort of a nuisance and surely enough to make mention of...
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Im sorry, but I have to ask one more question: In Genesis 1:3 it said: "And God said, 'Let there be light,' and there was light."

So, the earth is 4.5 billion years old, and even older then that is our universe which of course had light from stars etc, so light would have already exists...so he couldnt exactly take credit for flipping a switch that had already been on for 10 billion years already.

Also hypothetically what will you think when life is discovered as being on mars? God would have known about alien worlds so it curious he didnt make any mention to them?
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Can I ask a question and I mean no disrespect, but im honestly curious to know the answer from someone who believes in the bible etc.

If good created the world just over 2000 years ago in 6 days how do you explain dinosaurs that existed millions of years ago? If you believe that dinosaur remains are not millions of years old, but less then 2000 why is there no mention of them in the bible? Why is there no documentation of them as being around during that time? Seems to me raptors and t rexs would be sort of a nuisance and surely enough to make mention of...
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Can I ask a question and I mean no disrespect, but im honestly curious to know the answer from someone who believes in the bible etc.

If good created the world just over 2000 years ago in 6 days how do you explain dinosaurs that existed millions of years ago? If you believe that dinosaur remains are not millions of years old, but less then 2000 why is there no mention of them in the bible? Why is there no documentation of them as being around during that time? Seems to me raptors and t rexs would be sort of a nuisance and surely enough to make mention of...
No problem at all! Im glad to answer respectful questions!
You caught me right before bed. LOL

I believe that God created dinosaurs at the same time as humans. I also believe they lived with man, although they werent called dinosaurs untill recently. Dinosaur is a relativity new word, but what has been used to describe dinosaurs is the word dragon. And actually if you read in the book of Job you can see an example of one.
Job 41:12-34
"“I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,
its strength and its graceful form.
13 Who can strip off its outer coat?
Who can penetrate its double coat of armor[b]?
14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth,
ringed about with fearsome teeth?
15 Its back has[c] rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted.
18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;
its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils
as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,
and flames dart from its mouth.
22 Strength resides in its neck;
dismay goes before it.
23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined;
they are firm and immovable.
24 Its chest is hard as rock,
hard as a lower millstone.
25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified;
they retreat before its thrashing.
26 The sword that reaches it has no effect,
nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron it treats like straw
and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make it flee;
slingstones are like chaff to it.
29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw;
it laughs at the rattling of the lance.
30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds,
leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron
and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it;
one would think the deep had white hair.
33 Nothing on earth is its equal—
a creature without fear.
34 It looks down on all that are haughty;
it is king over all that are proud.”

Sounds a little more like a dragon right?
And this would also explain the cave drawing we have of dragons.

And if they were killing humans we can imaging why they would be extinct by now.

Dinosaurs and the Bible - Answers in Genesis And theres a little more reading if you can stomach it. LOL
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Im sorry, but I have to ask one more question: In Genesis 1:3 it said: "And God said, 'Let there be light,' and there was light."

So, the earth is 4.5 billion years old, and even older then that is our universe which of course had light from stars etc, so light would have already exists...so he couldnt exactly take credit for flipping a switch that had already been on for 10 billion years already.

Also hypothetically what will you think when life is discovered as being on mars? God would have known about alien worlds so it curious he didnt make any mention to them?
Once again no problem and a good question. I have no problem in believing that the God who created everything could cause the light to get to us faster when he created it. The Bible says that the heavens declare his wonder and I believe he put that stuff there so every man could see his handiwork.

And about Mars i really don't believe we will find life on Mars. For a while now people have believed in martians and we still haven't found any evidence. It was also believed that there was water on mars but we still haven't found any. I'm sure people will be looking extra hard to find life on mars so that they can show it to creationists but i don't believe they will find any.
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I believe that God created dinosaurs at the same time as humans. I also believe they lived with man, although they werent called dinosaurs untill recently. Dinosaur is a relativity new word, but what has been used to describe dinosaurs is the word dragon. And actually if you read in the book of Job you can see an example of one.
Seriously if man coexisted with dinosaurs, and there was only one book being written at the time I think it would be more like this.

dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
bread
dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
fish
dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
oh where did all the dragons go.

But nooooooooo, little booky book barely mentions the most dominant creatures to ever walk the earth. The only reasoning for this is if booky book was written by those who had no idea of the big picture and what was actually going on at the time, or that it was written by liars.

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Seriously if man coexisted with dinosaurs, and there was only one book being written at the time I think it would be more like this.

dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
bread
dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
fish
dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
dragon
oh where did all the dragons go.

But nooooooooo, little booky book barely mentions the most dominant creatures to ever walk the earth. The only reasoning for this is if booky book was written by those who had no idea of the big picture and what was actually going on at the time, or that it was written by liars.
This is a great post.^^

Atheists keep in mind, you also have a "belief" without proof. Don't take such an intellectual high horse.

Science is everything, our future depends purely on technology and our ability to manipulate what we have to work with. It also, every aspect, to me, praises the heavens! Mollecular biology, glowing surf (when ur surfing at night and it has those glowing animals in it!), stars, physics, its all pretty wondrous and humbling. Sometimes it just seems like the atheists are a haughty toddler playing with a handgun acting like they know how it works. A little humility is not only in order, but would further your cause.

Also using your belief system to create social boundaries is pretty ignorant and old timey.

I'm not trying to make anyone believe in anything.
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